An interesting development has occurred in recent months which is unlike anything I’ve ever seen before and it hasn’t been pretty. For the past several months there has been a campaign waged against the leader of CLEAR, Peter Reynolds. which has taken the form of a “cyber bullying” campaign. What makes this perhaps even more strange is the fact that I have known quite a few of the people involved for a considerable period because they are people who have been involved in the law reform campaign for years.
I first came across Peter Reynolds about 18 months ago because of a BBC programme being made about medical cannabis. Peter had somehow arranged for “Pinky” (a well-known person on the cannabis scene) to travel to Holland in order to bring back some medically prescribed cannabis (see here). Peter was starting up the ill-fated medical cannabis register, the BMCR, and it’s fair to say I fell out with him at the time – I made no secret of it and it’s all explained in this blog . It’s true to say I was somewhat wary of Peter originally. However, this was to change.
The other group worth mentioning at this point isn’t a campaign group at all, but a website dedicated to growing cannabis: UK420. Given the nature of the site and it’s – er – ‘main reason for being’ it’s always prefered to keep a low profile but recent events have come close to getting it unwanted attention. At one time UK420 had the best activist forum (members only, you have to subscribe to view it). It was a place where everyone met and discussed things and there are some well-known law reform activists there. Like all forums UK420 has its regulars and some have been posting there just about everyday for years. Over time however it became a place dominated by arguments and insults and bickering. The LCA were the first to feel the wrath of UK420 members and for many years the “old guard” of the LCA were treated with derision on UK420, but perhaps not without good reason.
I had split company with the LCA back in 2006. Now I can’t really say this any other way but the LCA were a joke. It was almost as if they had gone out of their way to make the cannabis law reform campaign look daft, presenting the worst image of cannabis users they were the awful “unwashed hippy” stereotype writ large. It had become the the focus of ridicule – not just on UK420 – and it needed to be put out of its misery.
So it was with some interest I noticed that in late 2010 Peter Reynolds pops up in the LCA and is immediately promoted to spokesman. How that came about was down to the “main man” at the LCA, someone who I have known ever since my involvement with the CLCIA. It’s fair to say we have never really hit it off and although we both support cannabis law reform, we seem to do so for totally opposite reasons. Add to this his perhaps unusual characteristic of trusting people he doesn’t know more than those he does made him a difficult person to work with. Again, this all history and for anyone interested in the death throes of the LCA, it’s all here
The really important if very small-town point to all this is that the LCA generated a steady stream of alienated people who often migrated to UK420 where they either became additional objects of ridicule themselves or settled into the community.
Peter Reynolds had already engaged the wrath of UK420 before he appeared on the LCA. All this is really so small-town , given the millions of cannabis users out there, plus the unknown millions of non-users who support some kind of law reform it is little short of stunning how often the same names seem to crop up.
Anyway, Peter had arrived at the LCA like a gale and within a short period of time had stood for election as leader and had taken control. This was possible incidentally because despite existing for over 10 years and claiming to be the main cannabis law reform campaign in the country the LCA only had around 70 members, which perhaps shows how much of a joke it had become.
Peter didn’t waste time, he did what was needed and revamped the LCA into a modern, professional campaign called CLEAR. Frankly, I was impressed and when I was asked to take on the CLEAR website in late summer, I did so willingly. Since then I have got to know Peter as a real person, not as someone on the end of a computer terminal. I do not agree with a lot of Peter’s politics, but then I don’t agree with a lot of people’s politics and that doesn’t stop me working with them in my professional life. We do agree on the sort of law reform campaign that’s needed, the sort of image it needs to convey and the aims and objectives the campaign should have.
For the first time we have, in CLEAR, a cannabis law reform campaign worthy of the name. From the start this seems to have annoyed some people. Very shortly after CLEAR was formed a hate site appeared (Peter Reynolds watch), this was shut down but soon re-appeared. Unknown to the rest of us Peter was getting a constant stream of hate posts for some months. Just before Christmas the ex-main man of the LCA starts a page on Facebook demanding Peter step down from CLEAR.
A strange – and frankly almost suspicious – thing then happened. People who had only months before been at each others throats for years joined forces to dig the dirt on Peter Reynolds. All the usual suspects were there, people well-known from UK420 in particular, but also people who had been ridiculed in tha past on UK420 and even the old guard from the LCA; the very best of enemies united in the single cause of attacking the leader of the most successful cannabis law reform campaign this country had ever seen.
Now it has to be admitted that Peter did give them some free ammunition. Before his involvement in the cannabis law reform movement, he had been a serial blogger and some of his comments were, perhaps, written in a language which some might have considered ill-advised. He discussed thorny issues such as immigration, saying how communities he had known as a kid had changed due to mass immigration, he touched on that hot potato that is the Arab-Israel conflict and more besides. These were his personal blogs and has always claimed they were written to be controversial. They were also known about before he stood for election at the old LCA.
It has to be said that Peter had written a lot of blogs, of which only a handful contained these controversial comments, but what we got was a Facebook campaign against him based on them which claimed to show proof that he was a raging homophobic racist, all run and coordinated by the newly united band of previous enemies who have been joined by others in a campaign which can only be described as obsessive.
Over the months Peter Reynolds has been accused of being:
A Police informer A Homophobe A racist A sex pervert In cahoots with big pharma
And probably a whole wedge of other things besides.
Things first came to a bit of a head on Christmas eve, when I was away from home visiting the rellies for at the festive period. I took a break from the enforced festivities and checked the CLEAR site where I saw that Peter posted a very aggressive comment, when I saw it I phoned him and it was then I discovered the extent of the campaign he’d been enduring for months. He was, it transpired, under a hell of a lot of lot of stress because of it.




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Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackbackwell-written. there is far too much mobbing in England eg in supposedly drug reform circles. experienced it myself
Seriously? The first reasonable chance we’ve had at some real reform, and some small minded morons are now running a mass smear campaign? Pathetic.
This is of course assuming it’s just them, and not being financed by our “glorious leaders”.
Peter, you have my support.
Pro cannabis vs pro cannabis! Get your prioitys sorted.. put aside your petty differences and focus on the task at hand. Petty jealousy against a man who is starting to make some noise. Only together can we achieve
As a gay man I have to admit I was hurt to see some of Mr Reynolds blog posts from before he became leader of the LCA and it became CLEAR. However I don’t support this group to fight homophobia, but to support the fight for Cannabis legalization. Unless we all band together and stop fighting over unrelated issues no-one’s going to take us seriously and we won’t get what we want. Since Peter Reynolds took over the website appears much more professional and the appears much more active.
I support the message, not the man. What he beliefs is irrelevant and doesn’t bother me unless he starts using CLEAR resources for that, since he isn’t I’m happy for him to stay. He’s done nothing but good work in his position here.
So Derek tries to defend the indefensible.Like a lot of people I joined Clear and supported Peter Reynolds until it became apparent that he’s a 24 carat nutcase who is undoubtedly very bad news for the cause.Inventing a Doctor to boost your credibility is worse than pathetic.Dr.Carla Margam first appeared on the scene to back up Peter Reynolds while he was having an argument (not unusual for Peter-sooner or later he argues with everyone with the possible exception of his dogs) with Ewan Hoyle of the Liberal Democrats.She then started circulating Facebook lavishing praise on Peter Reynolds andabuse on his enemies.She even wrote a WordPress article about cannabis&psychosis but her links with Peter Reynolds were all too clear-Carla is the name of his dog,Margam is the name of a town in South Wales.After a call to the General Medical Council established the fact that there is no “Dr.Carla Margam” registered as a Doctor in the UK and that impersonating a Doctor is a criminal matter and therefore a matter for the Police Mr.Reynolds was informed on his blog that he’d been reported to the Police for impersonating a Doctor at which point the Carla Margam Facebook page was taken down and likewise the Carla Margam WordPress blog.All the evidence that Carla Margam is really Peter Reynolds is on Peter Reynolds’ computers so I imagine by now that he’s placing powerful magnets next to the hard drive.
I deliberatly didn’t mention any names in the account above, but as he’s posted here Billy Gartside is one of the most active in this campaign against Peter Reynolds, although he is a new name to me.
I forgot about the latest accusation of inpersonating a doctor, add that to the ever growing list of things Peter is supposedly guilty of.
Anyway, I dare say the others will wade in and indentify themselves in due course.
I see you are trying to defend the indefensible again Derek, Peter Reynolds is a racist homophobe ,there is no getting round this issue however which way it is dressed up by you,Personally I believe racist bigots should be exposed for who they truly are,Clear has a leader that trawls swinger sites posting photos of his “manhood” and looking for “women” that are “gagging for his spunk”,then he falsely impersonates an NHS doctor to win an argument, never mind the block/ban /delete tactics being employed against Clear members who choose to question his ethics and policies and then we have the link to “big pharma” no wonder he has set the license policy that people are questioning as it certainly takes more rights off an individual than it gives,in other words …A COMPLETE FARCE.Do you really think this man will get anywhere without the support of the MP’s that have refused to share a platform with Peter Reynolds because he is a bigoted racist….Bot Is this really very wise for someone purporting to represent what is a very compassionate cause, when I fail to see any compassion in Peter Reynolds at all…..
Well said Mr Pink.
The fact that so many different people with different ideas about many social aspects are all together in this struggle against oppression underlines the righteousness of our cause.
My attitude is very much: in a time of war, anyone who is an enemy of my enemy is my friend.
i have been in a forum with these guys and it is an all out hate campaign simple as that i wanted to explain to them that i believed P,R did a good job and i spent the next 2 hrs being told i was peter or i was an uneducated unknown so they are not interested in debate or even being polite to a stranger with an interest in the cannabis issue. instead of trying to convince me of their side they could only attack me for supporting P,R and that is why they will fail, i also pointed out that every campaign to change any government policy is going to have agents of the state involved to spread lies and disinformation and disruption and that they needed to question what they were doing as it only could damage the msg we ALL want to push but i came away feeling like i just took a swim in a septic tank best to identify and ignore in future i just hope the genuine people that are getting sucked into this hate group see whats going on and wise up to the way they are damaging the entire cannabis campaign but for the state agents working in the background this is their way of fighting us all
please explain the following…
“The Medicine Wheel Project LLC and MMDS stakeholders are adamantly opposed to the wholesale recreational use of marijuana.”
from http://clear-uk.org/100000-well-paid-uk-jobs-through-compassionate-medicinal-cannabis-legislation/#disqus_thread
This is a joke, The first time it felt like the cannabis legalization was going to go anywhere and then this happens.
It is intended to open a meaningful dialogue that is at the start. to me this is an open debate and nothing is set in stone, we need to find ground to meet the government so they can debate this issue. if you dont like this plan why dont you put your own plan together and add it to the debate who knows i might agree with it. but right now all i hear is bitching, when the debate starts clear will not have the influence that we would all like, big pharma, drinks industry, Daily Mail all those voices will be louder than us and with the hate campaign you will make our influence even less . dont be surprised if the clear plan is lost completely in the opening debate but at least we will have achieved the debate. what will those guys that want to keep the hate campaign achieve ?
The Spanish model of cannabis clubs seems to be an ideal and a perfectly workable solution.
But in such a model there would be no need for Vic or Peter or their grubby personal agendas.
So I can safely say CLEAR will never advocate the Spanish model whilst Peter remains in charge.
Why won’t he run in a leadership election?
Sanj C would be willing to stand against him and a poll of the 700(?) memebers which CLEAR has now would surely be better than a poll of 60(?) LCA members in electing a leader with a majority mandate.
If Peter stands in a fair and free election for the leadership of CLEAR (something he has never done, he was voted leader of the LCA remember) and wins, I really can’t see how we could carry on complaining.
In fact, if Peter announced a leadership contest, I’d join now.
Believe me that CLEAR is only interested in lining the pockets of pharma companies as is apparent by the way Peter Reynolds set up the now defunct BMCR
to collate data to give to Victor and his American canna plaster compadres.
Anonymous are also disgusted with CLEAR’s behaviour and the way they have cosied up to dubious groups like the Medicine Wheel and its unsavoury ethics.
CLEAR is now toxic to the anti prohibition movement here and in the U.S. as Peter has been found to be of unsound character with all his lies and fabrications.
P,R has a term of office i would assume if you or anyone else has ideas as to how to move the campaign forward i would love to hear them. when his term of office is up he will need to stand for election then if any one else wants to stand i will be happy to listen to their ideas and if i like what they say they might get my vote, But we can not call a leadership election every time someone gets angry with the leader of the party, in the real world we all like amateurs we need to recognize that every thing has a time and place i think your problem is you dont want to wait until the proper time, That is not how things are done in the world of politics, i would like to win this war on prohibition in my lifetime and that is made much more difficult when other campaigners are damaging the image of clear with their childish behavior and diverting the attention away from the message that cannabis is good for everyone, I also believe that all use of cannabis is medicinal even if it is just to relax after a hard day so we are all medical users there is no such thing as recreational use
I read Peter Reynolds’ blog and came to the conclusion that he’s mentally ill.Have you thought about getting your leader some psychiatric help?I don’t mean from the ‘psychiatrist Dr.Carla Matgam’-that’s the fake psychiatrist Peter Reynolds invented.I mean get him help from the men in white coats.
billy you just dont listen to anyone else you are the one with the problem . i wont bother trying to change your mind as i think you are just misguided and wrong i hope you soon recognize what an error you are makeing and how you are only damaging the cannabis campaign. So goodbye and good luck I wont be responding to any more of your hate spam
“CLEAR supports cannabis for both medicinal and recreational purposes, although recognises, the priority is for people in pain to have free access to their medicine.” from facebook.
Please explain the following…
“The Medicine Wheel Project LLC and MMDS stakeholders are adamantly opposed to the wholesale recreational use of marijuana.”
“Victor Hamilton | Director Strategic Marketing
Victor is a well-known United Kingdom cannabis campaigner and a former Legalise Cannabis Alliance parliamentary candidate. He liaises as a United Kingdom representative with the European Coalition for Just and Effective Drug Policies and is a Council Member of the British Medical Cannabis Registry. Victor, himself suffering from a debilitating medical condition for which Medical Marijuana brings relief, has worked tirelessly for the advancement of Compassionate Medical Marijuana Legislation in the United Kingdom.”
from
http://clear-uk.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/United-Kingdom-Presentation-FINAL-FORM-Sept-14-11.pdf
http://worldwright.wordpress.com/2011/12/29/british-medicinal-cannabis-register-bmcr-to-close/ – Note Jim Alekson’s name on the list. He was invited onto the BMCR council by Peter Reynolds.
http://environbiofuels.wordpress.com/visitors-book/ – Note Peter’s long term association with Vic Hamilton and his bussinesses.
http://www.wix.com/peterreynolds/environbiofuels – As above
“Victor HamiltonFeb 22, 2011 08:32 AM
“I “invented” the transdermal cannabis patch here in Britain 10 years ago and registered the trademark “Canniderm”. I would be interested to work with you inadvancing this idea in Britain and Europe.” ”
from http://themedicinewheelproject.blogspot.com/2010/12/medicinal-marijuana-patch-exclusive.html#comment-form
Peter Reynolds and Victor Hamilton’s intention from the beginning has been to create a databse of users who they can market Canniderm to. (You might want to check your UK IPO registrations Vic, before somebody else does).
The truth is out there people, open your eyes: wake up.
Derek said: “I first came across Peter Reynolds about 18 months ago”
I find this odd given Peter Reynolds has been, in his own words, a cannabis campaigner for 30 years.
Derek said: “Perhaps there is another explaination though because I am, actually, more than a little suspicious of this whole charade.”
Are you suggesting that I’m an undercobver officer Derek? Or that there is some mass governmental conspiracy to discredit a man who when it comes down to it, doesn’t want to change the status quo at all.
Really?
Peter has told several people via email that their names and addresses have been forwarded to the police for further investigation. I’d say that makes him a police informer, but really that and the fact he likes to post pictures of “little pete” on the internet are merely a distraction from the the reality. Peter Reynolds is nothing more than a con artist and a convicted fraudster. His spots have obviously not changed over the years.
Anyway, enjoy yourself Derek, I really did used to have a good bit respect for you, even if I didn’t always agree with you. I thought you were a man of integrity. Stop taking everything Peter tells you at face value and start using your own brain FFS.
I’m out of here.
No one legitimate impersonates a Doctor.Your big hero Peter Reynolds is going to jail over that and when he’s in jail he’ll be on rule 43.If your big hero Peter Reynolds can’t handle rule 43 neither could my former lawyer Robert M.Broudie which is why he jumped off the top of that cathedral and smashed his skull in with his own pelvis.
What an excellent article, which illuminates so much to so many people. Well me at least.
You are wrong with your conclusions though. Cannabis use, whether heavy or not, is not the cause of this. This is clearly just human nature at it’s extremes on display. It’s the clique mentality of Lord of the Flies (or Big Brother when George Galloway was in!), where extreme behaviour is condoned, encouraged even, as long as it’s against a chosen common enemy.
Human nature unfortunately dictates that most people act in this way when trapped in a social circle which only only has one purpose – hate. The common enemy for these people is clearly Peter Reynolds.
It’s completely shit being in a clique like that, totally driven by negativity. It’s bizarre the desperately sick lengths these people can clearly go to in such a situation. The clique will always back them up though, no one will tell them that they are wrong there, however low their actions. As long as it’s against the common enemy it’s all good – it’s the only good. And that’s all they ever hear.
Take a look for yourself on the UK420 pages regarding Peter Reynolds – it’s got a sticky to keep it at the top of the cannabis news. They have no shame! It’s a classic clique there for all to see – absolutely no dissenting voices, only sycophancy – it could be a case study for psychology students.
The problem is that anyone outside the clique sees them for what they are though; pathetic clowns desperate not to fall out of line for fear of incurring the wrath themselves. And the truth is they are trapped, bar severing relationships with the clique. It’s super shit with icing on top for them.
Everyone outside the clique also sees their campaign for what it is as well; pathetic. It’s not the stuff of pleasant people or even adults. It really is shameful. I’d be genuinely embarrassed if I was them. Ashamed definitely over time. If they are decent people then that will undoubtedly be the case.
The cannabis community at large is clearly united behind Peter Reynolds. He is an amazing face to front the ongoing successful campaign, and he is completely justified in taking the lead for the hard graft he’s put in.
If this sorry pathetic stuff is the best you can come up with on Peter, then brilliant. Pretty much every politician out there has far worse. They don’t have sad goons spending all day, every day, scheming against them though. That’s the truth – real MPs don’t even have people like you campaigning vilely against like this. They probably couldn’t believe a large group of people could be so sad. There are not so many people with bizarrely nothing better to do like this.
You people do not represent the cannabis community at large in any way. You are making enemies of yourselves to the cannabis community at large. The cannabis community at large wants change. Peter Reynolds has been an amazing thing for change. You obviously need to find another common enemy, or find a different subject to purport to represent, or better still just stop acting in the pathetic way you are.
Here’s a crazy option – come over to CLEAR. There are no cliques there. No-one is picked on for not following whatever particular people say. It’s friendly, it’s clique free, and it’s the future. The current clique who are spreading vile hatred clearly aren’t. They’re shameful.
Len, I think you will find that CLEAR is indeed advocating the setting up of Cannabis Clubs.
http://clear-uk.org/cannabis-social-clubs-in-spain/
Dan, I’ve given up with you already, having not even conversed with you.
I admire your commitment to Peter, it is a noble trait; it’s just a shame a con-man has taken you in.
You are like Boxer the loyal but rather daft horse.
He got turned into glue in exchange for a case of whisky.
Expect no better from Peter.
“Here’s a crazy option – come over to CLEAR. There are no cliques there. No-one is picked on for not following whatever particular people say.”
Why exactly was Sanj C expelled again?
I’d be shouting this from the rooftops if I was on my own.
If Peter feels he has the support of the party he should demonstrate it by running for an election, something which he himself offered to do then reneged on.
http://dopecast.libsyn.com/webpage/dopecast305-out-now-
Jeff Ditchfield is a troll.
SSDP UK are trolls.
Mel Thomas is a troll.
Sarah McCulloch is a genetically confused half woman half werewolf.
etc etc etc
Ya. That’s right. Nobody is picked on…
I give up.
Jack Herer i could not agree more with what you say but i also believe that more sinister elements are behind all this. Where i live we are used to finding agents of the state in everything it is not paranoid it is history and they are so stupid to think that their methods will work in this information age, they throw shit thinking it will stick to their target but instead it just leaves a trail right back to them selves they will, not allow any other voice to have an opinion they think by shouting the same crap over and over people will support them, well guess what i have looked and listened and to me the truth is CLEAR are doing a great job and Peter has my support
What an embarrassment, its at times like this i feel like getting a rope and ending it all. Whats the point if i have to share this life knowing such anger and bitterness exists in what is supposed to be a ‘civilsed’ country. If you throw stones you must be whiter than white, have ever said/done/acted/behaved in any way that can be deemed negative/bad. If you haven’t you are the paradigm of virtue and should be hailed as the spiritual leader of the universe. Its boring, incredibly boring, get on with your own lives, spend some time with your family, friends, loved ones, read a book, go for a walk, most importantly don’t spend more than an hour a day on the internet, believe me it is possible.
Eric Hoffer
A man is likely to mind his own business when it is worth minding. When it is not, he takes his mind off his own meaningless affairs by minding other people’s business.
Charles Bukowski
We have wasted History like a bunch of drunks shooting dice back in the men’s crapper of the local bar.
“but instead it just leaves a trail right back to them selves”
Hi, stevo01.
Remember when you were telling everybody you could trace them and that you were going to call the police on them?
I do.
Do a search for – site:uk420.com stevo01 – on google. Sadly I think most of your craziest rants were removed by the moderators.
I’d also like to remind those people hurling abuse at UK420 that the admin and owner of the site Joolz has pointedly refused to become invloved in this debate. To blame him is like blaming the bus driver because a passenger is rude to you.
UK420 is an invaluable resource. Anybody who tries to lay any kind of blame for this at the door of UK420 really needs to appraise themselves of the facts.
“but instead it just leaves a trail right back to them selves” I said that so here we go again I am not stevo 01 lol
can you guys not understand that a lot of people are now using the internet, it is no longer a small club with a few loud ranting voices, now people like me are getting active so move over and let us all have a viewpoint, I do not troll and make accusations against anyone as i do have a life but i will not be silent when i see a concerted effort being made to derail the cannabis campaign
Steve01 it is you and it shows you to be also of unsound character Like most of CLEARS cyber brownshirts.A real shame you aren’t man enough to admit that you did threaten to inform the police on 420ers.
Firstly no one made anything up about Peter Reynolds as all his actions are documented and recorded in google cache.Secondly you say there are no cliques over on CLEAR but you censor free speech and threaten anyone who dares to raise valid questions about Mr Reynolds?
Jan 2011- Peter Reynolds solicits the BMCR as a secure register around several canna sites.
Certain educated and influential people ask him if he will guarantee peoples safety if they Register with the BMCR which he refuses to do and even goes far enough as to say he would give the information to the Police if asked.
Next thing people are getting threats that Mr Reynolds is going to hand over peoples details to the police if they don’t keep quiet?
Next we have LovePeteGuru’s take over of the LCA and he proceeds to claim to have been campaigning for 30 years against prohibition?
The funny thing is that the anti prohibition activist movement was quite small in the UK and most of the activists knew each other but no one has heard of this Reynolds character??
Then the full story comes out when People realize that these new faces are actually in cahoots with pharma companies and dubious groups like the Medicine wheel project?
Believe me that CLEAR is the worst thing for people who want Normalization or decriminalization as they only want to feather their nests and line their own pockets.
To blame him is like blaming the bus driver because a passenger is rude to you.
UK420 is an invaluable resource. Anybody who tries to lay any kind of blame for this at the door of UK420 really needs to appraise themselves of the facts.
If i was on a bus with a rude passenger i would expect the driver to remove them as it is his bus,
if a number of passengers are making the problem then demand they behave or remove them do not shirk the responsibility, if UK420 wish to provide a platform they should be held responsible for what is going on, these guys are posting the same crap over and over.
when its your site that is being Hijacked stand up and stop them you will have support, if not you will find a lot of people like me who have only come onto these forums in the last year (yes i am a newbee) will just turn away from you
Steve01 it is you and it shows you to be also of unsound character Like most of CLEARS cyber brownshirts.
grow up and talk like an adult i will not be posting my details for trolls like you to start sending me the hate but i will say I am Irish and where i live people who want to debate the drugs issue can find our own little pro ho army d,a,a,d , these guys will kick in your door and kill you if you get noticed for having a different view to them so if i use an alias its for my own peace of mind
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Lem – you should know that Vic Hamilton is not new to the cannabis campaign. He’s been around the scene as long as any of us, he was an active member of the LCA over 10 years ago for example. He is an example of what you might call and “old skool” campaigner.
It is actually true that the majority of core “activists” in this campaign orignate from UK420, but as I said in the article their little bunch consists of people some on UK420 have treated with contempt for years, but who now seem to be the best of mates.
Regards my comment as to some “organisation” behind all this, I do think there is, but quite what form it takes I have no idea. It could be the result of some kind of police infiltration – that isn’t at all unlikely given the documented way the police infiltrate activist groups (Mark Kennedy). But it could be something else, some other group who would stand to lose out from a regulated commerical cannabis trade. It could be alot of things, I would suggest an open mind to all possiblities is the best approach.
I think the thing I find both interesting and sad about all this is how the people involved are so certain they are right – about all their claims. I for one would never make such a firm conclusion about anything or anyone. Much less would I spend so much time and effort to attack a particular person.
There agian, I don’t hunt in packs either.
“There agian, I don’t hunt in packs either.”
http://www.theweedblog.com/what-is-uk-cannabis-activist-group-clear/
Peter left a link to the this article on facebook, as a call for “comment warriors”, I’d say that is the very definition of hunting in packs.
As soon as he realised that the people telling the truth were outweighing his lackeys, the story was removed from the CLEAR facebook wall.
I am both aware of how long Vic has been around for and also couldn’t care less, he has admitted himself that his intentions are selfish. He is working as the director of european marketing for a US company whilst claiming sickness benefits. Most people get a bank loan when they are setting up a business. Not Vic, he gets the tax payer to front up.
“I for one would never make such a firm conclusion about anything or anyone.”
Maybe you should spend a bit more time researching the man you call leader, Del. The fact is, you as a long term campigner admit to only having met him 18 months ago, despite his claims to have been campigning for 30 years plus: nobody else had ever heard of him until then either.
His past doesn’t stack up, and nor do his claims about his past. His opinions are vile. He is a convicted fraudster. He posts naked pictures of himself on the internet. He responds with abuse to any form of criticism.
You think he’s under stress now? What’s going to happen when a national paper or TV news channel starts asking questions? He hasn’t even come close to experiencing stress yet: when he does I wouldn’t want to be within 50 miles, the fall out is going to be messy.
Leaders should inspire confidence. They should be able to deal with criticism magnanimously. They should be able to cope with stress without snapping and ranting.
Peter does none of these things.
If you want members for CLEAR Derek, and I’m sure you do; make an announcement that Peter is going to stand for election as leader of CLEAR (he’s a bit like Gordon Brown really, he was never elected leader of the party he claims to represent, where is his mandate?) you will have a surge in membership like you wouldn’t believe. If you care one jot for the cause you will convince Peter of the necessity of holding a leadership election as soon as is possible.
Why exactly was Sanj suspended again Derek?
And for some balance, this is what the US thinks of Vic and Pete and Jim Alekson’s plan.
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/02/corporation_aims_to_co-opt_medical_marijuana_make.php
The comments speak volumes.
Hi Derek,
It’s clear there is a lot of money to be made from cannabis and it is possible that those with ulterior motives could be infiltrating either or both sides of the debate.
Personally I think it very unlikely that anyone that needs be taken seriously would be involved at this time as Clear really aren’t yet at all influential and as far as i know not planning on blowing up any power stations.
Jim Alekson however is somewhat of a interesting character. His proposals seem bizarre and entirely unrealistic, yet at the same time he doesn’t appear to be completely crackpot insane.
You cannot deny that his proposals are totally contrary to Clears stated aims, so it does seem strange that Peter is promoting his business plan. Victor Hamilton is quite open about his involvement with Jim Alekson. He is not on big pharmas pay roll, but he does stand to make a considerable amount of money if we take these proposals seriously. I don’t think it unreasonable to ask whether Peter Reynolds is in a similar position.
I’m glad to hear that you not making any firm conclusions, i just hope this extends to Peter.
i see your ambivilous about me ending my own life oh well……humans make me sad….gleefully slapping themselves on the back thinking their right, without actually thinking.
Bernard Shaw
-The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
“i see your ambivilous about me ending my own life oh well”
Ambivalent – the word you wanted was ambivalent: in fact, I think it was probably oblivious. Or maybe Oblivalent.
I didn’t take you seriously to be honest.
If you are serious I would suggest you call the Samaritans or a relative, I can’t really help apartt from to say don’t.
Killing yourself won’t solve anything, nor will quoting famous people in an attempt to look moody and intellectual. It’s been done to death.
Good job at addressing the points raised though.
Why do none of you CLEAR chaps ever answer the questions raised by us about Mr reynolds??
Better still Steve why don’t you answer the questions raised by me earlier before you go off on one about people kicking you’re door in?
Sorry whats that??
You cant?
K
Hi Derek
Sorry, but what exactly did you take exception to in my post?
Here are a few links to the real Peter Reynolds and shame on you if you still support this man leading any political party.
http://dopecast.libsyn.com/web…
http://dopecast.libsyn.com/web…
http://www.campaign.mondialvil…
http://www.sarahmcculloch.com/…
http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/ne…
http://itsonlymeitsnotmymind.b…
http://www.campaign.mondialvil…
If You Have Read and Understood These Links
You Will Want to Sign Here:
https://www.change.org/petitio…
Thank You for your Kind Attention.
fair dues lem, fairs dues
what i write has as much chance of ‘addressing the points’ as anything else that has been written, that’s the sad thing. Its just a few people arguing over positions that they will never back down from. Why would someone answer all the questions you raise when whatever is said will have no effect. i don’t know whether it is ego’s or boredom or something else. Start your own campaign use your evident energy and intelligence in another way. I have looked at all the information you suggest and at the end i still find CLEAR to represent how i believe things should move forward, from what i have seen and what Peter seems to be doing it’s a direction i fond encouraging. If you disagree and think he should go and have reasons for this ok, you have given me the information and i have made my opinion. I cant say more than that i think, you may call me stupid or oblivious! that’s ok, i don’t think i am now lets move on.
It’s not intellectual i just went to brainy quotes
so the same moron 00 has shown up here to accuse me of being someone i am not, how many more of your accusations are wrong, you are so sure i am someone else i wonder will you question your other beliefs if you found out who i am? or would you pass the information to you conTROLLer and just keep on making the same accusation? or would you just bombard me with your hate mail? it is not my job to defend P,R and i dont see why i should he is quite good at doing that himself and he will do it much better than i could. I am only interested in pointing out how much damage you guys do to the campaign for cannabis, whilst you hide behind the campaigner cover.
i have watched quietly since before Christmas at the antics you guys have got up to from all the spam you sent to every friend on P,Rs Facebook list yes i got those as well to the constant repetition of the same accusations, well i have heard them and i dismiss them, the case is closed. so now if i disagree with any of you guys i get subjected to an all out attack and i am then dismissed as being someone else with a hidden agenda,or even an uneducated unknown, as i told you before if you wish to win peoples minds you do not do it by attacking them, you do it by convincing them of your cause and you guys have failed to do that. all you have done is make sure people like me never give you any credibility, you are offensive crude rude and ignorant and no matter what your message it is lost behind your venom. if you can not see the points i make it is because your own rabid nature will not allow you to see any other viewpoint other than that of your fellow travelers, you are irrelevant the movement for cannabis is not a small group anymore and yours are not the only voices you are discovering that in the grown up world people do things differently than they do in the playground when you learn how to behave yourself the grown ups might listen . I believe that CLEAR with P,R at the helm have the only chance of moving the cannabis debate forward, all your actions prove is that is not what you guys want so get behind Hitchens and the Daily Mail and stand your ground with him dont pretend to be on the side of cannabis anymore your actions are what i take offence to and the manner that you guys approach people is no different than any of the accusations you make against P,R you guys dont have the support so get over it and move on
Simple question.
Does Peter Reynolds have any kind of business relationship with Jim Alekson?
Sorry for not coming back on these comments, I was working late last night and today has been hectic.
@davedangleberry wrote: “Sorry, but what exactly did you take exception to in my post?” – er, what post? I’ve just read through todays additions for the first time now, I haveint complained about any posts and nothing’s been deleted nor nothin’
Lem – hunting in packs is hardly the same as the comment warriors campaign. The aim of CW is to give feedback to papers that print anti cannabis stories, huntin gin packs is chasing a person with a mob, an entirley different concept.
But 41 comments minus about two or three from me does somewhat illustrate my point as to how some of you guys are fixated by this whole issue. For heavens sake let’s get real here. You claim to be interested in cannabis law reform, yet how many of the people here comment on items I post about real cannabis issues? Hardly any to be honest. Yet when it come to discussing a person you all leap to your keyboards.
In all honesty if you don’t like what CLEAR is, then that’s fine by me, just don’t have anything to do with it. Just like you probably don’t have anything to do with the Labour party.
Ok fair enough here it is again.
It’s clear there is a lot of money to be made from cannabis and it is possible that those with ulterior motives could be infiltrating either or both sides of the debate.
Personally I think it very unlikely that anyone that needs be taken seriously would be involved at this time as Clear really aren’t yet at all influential and as far as i know not planning on blowing up any power stations.
Jim Alekson however is somewhat of a interesting character. His proposals seem bizarre and entirely unrealistic, yet at the same time he doesn’t appear to be completely crackpot insane.
You cannot deny that his proposals are totally contrary to Clears stated aims, so it does seem strange that Peter is promoting his business plan. Victor Hamilton is quite open about his involvement with Jim Alekson. He is not on big pharmas pay roll, but he does stand to make a considerable amount of money if we take these proposals seriously. I don’t think it unreasonable to ask whether Peter Reynolds is in a similar position.
The same old same old with Ad hominum attacks and name calling which seems to be CLEAR’s response if you ask them to clarify their position?
It is very easy to see that Peter Reynolds and CLEAR have no interest in Normalization as they have cosied up to dubious characters like Jim Alekson and his medicine wheel group.You only have to look on some of our American cousins forums to see how highly he is regarded with his wacky ideas which CLEAR and Peter Reynolds endorse.
Hows about you answer the questions regarding Peter and desist from the abuse please Stevo01.
Dewek maybe you could also answer some questions also before you use the censor pen again?
00
oo you are a fool at best and a sinister plant at worst only you know the truth,but as you can not hear any answer that is given to you i will add you to the troll list and just ignore your rants. cause thats what us grown ups do, so go back to the playground and protect your patch and in the future you might try to recognize people by what they say, not by what you want to hear, instead of constantly making a fool of yourself by ignoring my points.
point 1, i am a member of clear that gives me the right to my opinion,
point 2 i have heard you accusations looked at your links and posts and i do not believe your anything other than a malevolent person.
point 3 I am my own person and not the guy you repeatedly accuse me of being.
point 4 all you will gain with your constant attacks on any one who disagrees with you is disruption to the entire cannabis campaign you dont like to follow the normal rules of civility there is no excuse for you so go away and grow up because you and your venom is not needed in my opinion
in the last few days i have spent more time answering fools like oo and billy and it has been a total waste of my time, i could have been putting comments on the Daily Fail or any number of papers, but instead i have spent it playing with trolls. i think as a former alter boy i should give up playing with trolls for lent, and get back to the more important cannabis campaigning so Peter you got my support and I recommend you and everyone recognize the trolls and give up playing with them they are history
@00 – Ah, I think I recognise your style enough to be pretty sure as to who you are. It really is the same people time and time again.
Anyhow, as I suspect you know already know my position regarding “normalising” is fairly simple; you can’t “normalise” things, they have to become normalised due to cutural acceptance. Something being “normal” means it is governed by a set of “norms” which grow out of experience.
If by “normalise” you mean totally remove all laws pertaining to cannabis that isn’t something that is going to happen, so I don’t consider it a valid idea to even discuss, but for the record I would be very opposed to it. I want to see cannabis sold in shops and I want the cannabis sold to be what it is claimed to be; consitent levels of THC and CBD for a start.
@ davedangleberry – my spam filter doesn’t like you it seems. Nothing personal!
Also @oo – if you post losts of links the post will get marked as spam and blocked by the filter. I’ve just approved the many-linked post you made above, even though most of the links don’t actually work.
Of the links that do work, the Dopefeind netcast is interesting, if only because he made no attempt to check out CLEAR’s side of the story. I have also e-mailed Dopefeind and had no reply.
In one of Dopefeinds broadcasts he discusses Peter with someone who proudly claims to haver introduced high potency cannabis into this country. Now never mind the debate over whether high potency cannabis is indeed anything new, the fact that this guy proudly admits to having done that means he is someone whoes support I wouldn’t like to have.
The other link you posted is to Sarah McCulloughs blog. Sarah has been one of the most obsessive people in this charade, and shes a pretty sloppy journalist as well to be honest.
All the other links you posted are dead.
No problem Derek. I was hoping for a response to my question though.
“The aim of CW is to give feedback to papers that print anti cannabis stories…”
My aim is to confront liars, hypocrites and bullshitters.
Peter Reynolds is all 3 and more: his dirty agenda is merely the icing on the cake of moral righteousness. (The cake is a lie)
If he steps away from the “cannabis law reform” campaign mine, and I would imagine, everybody else’s interest in him will end.
Narcissists like being the centre of attention so I doubt he’sgoing anywhere soon.
Good luck dealing with the fall-out when the story appears in the nationals. You might like to know that David Rose,the freelance investigative journalist who is looking into Peter Reynolds, is one of the nominees for the Paul Foot awards for investigative reporting; being held – I believe – tonight. You can rest assured he will be thorough.
@lem -
Oh for heavens sake Lem don’t set yourself up as some kind of guardian of morality, you sound really daft saying stuff like that.
Speaking of daft and seeing as you mentioned it, David Rose works for the Mail on Sunday and whichever idiot thought it might be a good idea to involve the Mail on Sunday to dig the dirt on Peter really hadn’t thought through what they were doing. You guys sold him a story but you also interested him in much more than CLEAR.
UK420 has always tried to keep a low profile for fairly obvious reasons, which is why I’ve hardly ever mentioned the website in any of my blogs. But all this is running the risk of giving it a lot of unwanted attention.
I wonder what the Mail will find more interesting? The story of Peter Reynolds, or the existance of a site like UK420, doing what it does and all that?
Actually, it will probably find both interesting, but it would hurt UK420 much more than it would hurt CLEAR.
Just think a bit before you dive in a do stupid things eh? Talk about an own goal.
@davedangleberry I can’t answer your question, I don’t know if Peter has any business links with anyone, but such things aren’t illegal, or even immoral.
A link to Jim Alekson would be a huge conflict of interest.
“The story of Peter Reynolds, or the existance of a site like UK420, doing what it does and all that?”
haha.
Oh dear. Is that the sound of a barrel I hear being scraped?
I didn’t contact David Rose, I have no idea who did, but they picked a good journalist, regardless of who buys his stories.
What will the papers find more interesting: a forum that has been in existence for well over ten years, or the leader of a political party who posts pictures of his cock on the internet.
Hard one to answer that really.
scccccrape.
To be honest Derek, getting busted would be the best thing that could happen to me right now. Without the need to remain anonymous I would be far more effective. Trust me.
For god’s sake davedangleberry – stop looking for conspiracies in everything. You belong on the 9/11 pages with your tin foil hat.
Lem, and all the others, who’s sole sad existence in life seems to be posting negative hate filled nonsense continuously – why do you not care if you are seriously damaging the push for change of the cannabis laws? Are you so selfish that you are willing to spoil it for everyone?
I notice on UK420 that “Underwater” posted the following;
“Anyone he comes into contact with needs to be given all the information available on him. It’s all in this thread. Anywhere you see him or CLEAR posting, chuck all the links in this thread in there too. Let people see.
Contact papers, tv, writers, bloggers or anyone who might be interested, it’s being done already but more people doing it can’t hurt.
Just a few of us have set him up for a monu-fucking-mental PR disaster if he goes near domestic TV for example.
Join in and STOP CLEAR – forget about removing him it ain’t gonna happen.
CLEAR is fuck all – it’s one mans ego-trip, it’s not as hard as people think. They are already an arse hair from being completely irrelevant.”
Look at what you have become. Who is so hate filled that they do that? Was Underwater frothing as he wrote that pure hatred? He’s not going to find a girlfriend spending all day on the internet acting like that – girls don’t like that shiz.
Besides which, CLEAR isn’t just one man’s ego trip – it’s lots and lots of members who want change. You are deliberately attacking those people. That’s not good. We live in a real world. Why would you want to make real enemies in the real world? It just seems silly.
“Besides which, CLEAR isn’t just one man’s ego trip”
Yes.
It is.
It really is, it’s been nothing since the beginning.
As so eloquently pointed out by one recent commentator there is an onion ring with over 150k likes on facebook and another with over 25k. If you honestly use the like button on facebook as a measure of success, I despair for you, I really do.
CLEAR is a toxic brand; the sooner you realise that, drop Pedro, and start something that isn’t tainted by him and Vic, the better.
Wow the sound of the pack indeed.
When I emntioned the press interest in UK420 above, I meant it not as a threat but as a genuine warning. It’s not somehting I would want to see happen, but then I haven’t read the thread Jack mentions above. If that is the level of UK420 now, I wouldn’t miss it.
But my item was about the obsessive nature of the people behind all this, the number of posts from a couple of people here – 00 and Lem in particular – prove my point I think. These are seriously sad people who need to get a life.
In all the excitement I forgot my point.
Lem – and all ye others would just seem to have a sad single existence of hate – if you truly reckon that you represent the cannabis community, why aren’t you campaigning positively for change? Why are you instead damaging the hopes of realistically millions of normal fellow smokers? Are you really that selfish?
Campaign for yourself for what you believe in. I’ll gladly support you. It’s all good.
Lem.
No.
It.
Isn’t.
Stop it therefore. You are making real enemies of real people.
“You are making real enemies of real people.”
I really, really, really do so hope you are telling the truth. I honestly can’t tell you how good that makes me feel.
I am obviously being effective.
My life is wonderful thanks Derek. Have a nice day all.
Oh come on Jack its not an unreasonable question given whats been published on Clears own website. An answer can’t be so hard to give. Peter seems to voice his opinion on pretty much everything else.
Lem – why would you revel in deliberately making people you do not know dislike you? God’s honest truth – it’s really really weird.
What is your life Lem? Shall we dig some dirt on you? Shall we just find out how pathetic your life is on a personal level? Shall that become the comment warrior’s mission – to post hate filled stuff about just your life; small details ridiculed to extremes? Shall we forget the positive message we are spreading to change to just post the nastiest shit we can on you? We can just make stuff up as well. We can start a Facebook campaign.
That’s not what we are about. We would never do that. CLEAR isn’t like you. Peter Reynolds isn’t like you. People genuinely don’t want to be with people who constantly act this way. We are not about negative, skewed shit – and especially sleeping with the enemy – man that is honestly selling your soul to to devil. CLEAR is about positive change. Your clique mentality, with a common constant enemy, is about as welcome as a turd in a hot pot in our push for positive change.
Imagine after the revolution as well and you have to show your face amongst the community at large. At best you’ll be the laughing stock.
Lem – get a frigging life for god’s sake. What the hell are you doing? Pull yourself together and stop acting like a complete gimp. Your life will never improve doing what you are doing.
“You are making real enemies of real people.”
Oooh scary!!!
As stated before Petey the pied piper of flimflam’s only answer is hollow threats and abuse.
How very banal indeed.
00
No Dave, seriously, from an outsider looking in, it is weird. You seem to be looking for stuff, anything, and then you run with it like it’s gospel. And then there’s spin offs from that – it’s honest to god too much time on your hands or something.
It’s exactly the same as 9/11 conspiracy nuts. The latest on that front is energy beams – honestly – as yet unknown super science frikkin energy beams man that can bring down massive buildings!
I’m sure Peter Reynolds is involved in there somehow though! Run with it, it’s got legs.
OO – same answer applies to you above.
Why would you revel in deliberately making people you do not know dislike you? God’s honest truth – it’s really really weird.
What’s on the cards for you this week OO? Anything interesting or productive? No – oh well. Same old shit posting hate filled nonsense all day? Hate filled nonsense filling your every waking hour? Is that how you imagined your life would turn out when you were at school?
Did you tell your career’s adviser? Did he recommend you to a child psychiatrist? Has your life been downhill from there. Look on the bright side -it’s got to be rock bottom right now, so, like Yazz said; the only way is up.
now you tell a little truth lem and oo you want to offend and make enemies thanks it is now easy to see what you are doing and why. so now in my mind your behavior makes you either in cahoots with the Daily mail brigade or you are in fear of proper regulation of the criminal black market so why does anyone give you morons any time your spite and venom is not something i recognize as being a part of the cannabis community in your tone and manner you are exactly the kind of people that have caused the problems in the past with the cannabis campaign you are why it failed time after time. This is not your private drug this is not your private campaign and when you pull your heads out of each others arses you will be surprised that millions of other people who use cannabis have a different view to life than your nasty troll mindset could allow with your constant wineing credibility
Mr. Reynolds,
Thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to weigh in here, in spite of being the subject of only one short paragraph. If you would be so kind as to point out exactly which elements of the article are inaccurate, and provide the disproving evidence, I will be happy to retract those elements in my blog and while I can’t speak for Mr. Elliott, I am sure that with his journalistic credentials he wouldn’t want to publish anything not solidly backed up by research. As it is, reading your comment, I only have more questions than answers.
If Mr. Alekson would like to comment here as well, perhaps he would be willing to provide direct answers to questions. There’s great potential for an illuminating conversation. I’d like to start by asking how, exactly, his corporation intended to dictate public health policy.
Thanks again,
Kassy
from http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/02/corporation_aims_to_co-opt_medical_marijuana_make.php
I suppose an American lady who I’d never heard of before yesterday is a no-life troll too?
Scrrrrrrrrappeee. That barrel is getting mighty thin-bottomed chaps. Please do carry on with the ad hominem attacks though, they reflect wonderfully on you.
I am not the leader of a political party therefore I wouldn’t have thought my personsal life is of any interest to anybody. Dig away though. I’ll give you a head start, I have bipolar disorder: you can call me a “certified nutter” now.
It isn’t Vic Hamilton, Peter Reynolds or Jim Alekson’s private drug either. They are the ones trying to stake a claim to it, not me.
I’m not sure what “wineing” means so I can’t answer that one.
Venom and spit is pretty much all that ever pours, or has poured from the mouth of Peter Reynolds. Maybe his ex wife is paying me? You ever think about that? She isn’t but hey, it’s another crazy idea to add to the pot.
You’ll notice I try to deal in fact not opinions, hence the links I posted earlier.
You’ll also notice I try to address the point s raised in your posts, something you lot seem to have difficulty doing.
now you tell a little truth lem and oo you want to offend and make enemies
thanks it is now easy to see what you are doing and why.
so now in my mind your behavior makes you either in cahoots with the Daily mail brigade or you are in fear of proper regulation of the criminal black market
so why does anyone give you morons any time your spite and venom is not something i recognize as being a part of the cannabis community in your tone and manner you are exactly the kind of people that have caused the problems in the past with the cannabis campaign
you are why it failed time after time. This is not your private drug ,this is not your private campaign, and when you pull your heads out of each others arses you will be surprised that millions of other people who use cannabis have a different view to life than your nasty troll mindset could allow.
with your constant whingeing and bitching you have now decided to declare everyone who supports clear is your enemy, Not the prohibitionists but other cannabis campaigners wow what strange logic so is that how you will win for cannabis users is that how you and your hate filled troll friends are going to win credibility? you will only damage yourself so go on then,
i look forward to the day cannabis is available to get from a licensed provider that has been grown in proper conditions and that has no criminal involvement so do most of the clear members so what kind of person or group see those people as the enemy ? well you must be frightened for some reason oh i know just troll some more
sorry posted that comment twice by mistake well i read the post from lem and i need to repeat i am not P,R not that it matters because i do support what he has done with clear
but you are so far wrong about who i am so what else are you wrong about?
why are you so concerned with my identity i have not accused you of being Peter Hitchens even you do sound as rabid as he does so why is my identity so important to you? why dont you imagine me as a big Irish Celtic comment warrior that works for me
Jack herer i agree with every thing you have said and i think you have summed up these trolls perfectly
“Venom and spit is pretty much all that ever pours, or has poured from the mouth of Peter Reynolds.”
Lem – I know you are a liar. Pretty much everything I have heard from Peter Reynolds is positive. It’s why I am defending him here against goons like you.
I’m no idiot. I see this for what it is. I see Peter for what he is. Everyone is quickly beginning to see you for what you are.
Everything I have ever heard from you has been “vemon and shit” ironically Lem. The proof is here on this very article with your comments.
You need to sort yourself out and stop it Lem.
Otherwise, what colour is the sky in your world?
I’m Spartacus!
If, for a moment, you think I’m Peter Reynolds, then you are seriously mistaken.
A quiet man – come the revolution we will share a long smoke.
jack i was just thinking the same my self lol and i hope peter is enjoying a night free from these guys i think he deserves a break from troll wars let us distract them for a change lol
Where exactly is the “venom and shit” from me, please do quote some.
I did compare Dan the yellow jerseyed warrior to Boxer the Horse, which some might say was a bit harsh, but it certainly wasn’t venomous.
If people dislike this much for doing no more than telling the truth, enough to warn me, “You are making real enemies of real people.”, I shall carry on telling the truth, and I shall sure as fuck carry on making enemies.
Good day to you: you emperor with no clothes; leader with no mandate; con man who needs to find a new con.; etc etc.
Lem – you are pitifully nuts. I never normally stay up this late – I really am a busy man. However I finished a pain in the arse document today and so unusually, like Cinderella, I stayed up late as way of reward.
Am I glad I did as well. I now know from looking at UK420 that you genuinely think I’m Peter Reynolds. Brilliant. OO thinks I’m some dude I’ve never even heard of. What are those things you say here on the internet – ROTFLMFO or something like that. Well worth staying up for.
Your head must be spinning at about 4000 RPM wondering who I am. Who am I? I’m give you a clue – follow the lizard man trail from David Icke.
Where exactly is the “venom and shit” from me, please do quote some.
If people dislike this much for doing no more than telling the truth, enough to warn me, “You are making real enemies of real people.”, I shall carry on telling the truth, and I shall sure as fuck carry on making enemies.
Please note the lack of ad hominem attacks.
My mind is perfectly calm, as a pond on a cold winter’s day.
I really couldn’t care less who you are, you all employ the same posting style, relying on personal attacks and never even attempting to deal with facts: you all blur into one. Sadly that image, that hideous image, of little pete peeking desperately out of that stained dressing gown has become my mental avatar for you.
That is the one thing about this debacle I would change, some things cannot be unseen.
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2012/02/corporation_aims_to_co-opt_medical_marijuana_make.php
http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/100-000-new-well-paying-jobs-created-through-compassionate-medical-marijuana-legislation.282086/
@ lem
You asked
“Where exactly is the “venom and shit” from me, please do quote some.”
Then wrote
“that hideous image, of little pete peeking desperately out of that stained dressing gown”
Counts as “venom and shit” – it might be acceptable on UK420, it isn’t here. Cut it out.
Regards those links you posted (it seems my spam filter catches two links) are you seriously making a case based on stuff like that? Move on down the bus please…
Jack Herer – “Pull yourself together and stop acting like a complete gimp”
Derek – “Lem in particular – proves my point I think. These are seriously sad people who need to get a life.”
Jack Herer – “Lem – I know you are a liar” proof? ah yeah, you don’t need that
Jack Herer – “Lem – you are pitifully nuts”
I refered to the fact that seeing the picture of little tiny petey, that Peter Reynolds posted willing onto the internet, caused me great trauma (it did) and I get warned. lol
Oh Del. What are youy like eh?
Jack Herer – “Stop it therefore. You are making real enemies of real people.”
How did I forget that gem?
To be fair Derek, you started off one hell of a s***storm when you briefly returned to UK420 before Xmas with a massively patronising update on your last several months and CLEAR. Did you ever expect that to go down well? Did you really expect people to praise you and repent to anything said previously. All this seems to really have started again (after the BCMR period) and continued ever since then.
Why on earth do you make such a post and then vanish? As you mentioned Peter did give people ammunition, you provided the spark with your post.
“Over time however it became a place dominated by arguments and insults and bickering.”
Is what everyone seems to say about every website after they’ve been there for a years.
I’m not defending some of the UK420 actions, some do seem over-obsessed with Peter Reynolds and CLEAR and it’s a shame the effort they put into their campaigning against it isn’t just put directly into something new and different. However, you are hardly much different; you seem to want to almost have the last word.
I used to respect you and follow you with interest through reading you on UK420 and thought you seemed an easy targer unfairly. After the post at Xmas time that I’m referring to and the disaster that’s ensued I’ve lost all respect unfortunately.
Peters response to a direct question on his links to Jim Alekson.
“The US company trying to bring transdermal cannabis patches to the UK is not a pharmaceutical company but even if it was, so what? It deserves encouragement if it can help to end prohibition.”
Can we take this as an acceptance of the accusations? So what? Is he serious?
“Before I respond one way or the other, I need to know (i) why the interest; (ii) who wants to know; and (iii) for what purpose?”
This was allegedly Jim Alekson’s reply, when asked if he had business links with Peter Reynolds.
Something to hide perchance?
Also, please look up the word “holistic”, before you further missuse it. Clue: it isn’t a synonym for organic/herbal/natural.
“Minds are like parachutes, they only operate when open”
00 dead link heaven
I have had this theory whereby if you shoot joints at soldiers (both sides) there may be in fact less dissonance with regards to real bullets, apply the same idea to slander campaigners- shoot joints into their mouths, give them 10-40 minutes of thinking time and then see if it had any effect.
To comment on something that you have no actual experience with is just plain strange, Ghandi had to give up sugar before he tell someone else to give up sugar, so take up cannabis before you can tell other’s not to take it, and furthermore before you have slander. Small minds talk about people.
@ Thomas
Re UK420 – I hadn’t been there for ages before Christmas, when I went back I saw the same old crowd saying the same old guff, nothing had moved on, nothing had changed. The reaction I got was instant and aggressive, as usual.
UK420 is not *the* cannabis community, it doesn’t represent anyone or anything other than the people who post there. Not only that but the people involved there do not represent the views and aims of everyone involved in fighting prohibition, many of who do not consider themselves a part of this “cannabis community”.
Lem – your own actions are making you pitifully nuts, not me pointing it out. If you don’t want to be thought of as pitifully nuts, then stop acting pitifully nuts. Don’t shoot the messenger simply for pointing out the obvious.
It looks like you couldn’t wait to get back up and at em on the hate trail. Was it straight out of bed and on here? Were hateful thoughts immediately and incessantly spinning through your head and you had to start frothing and acting unpleasant without any delay? Crikey your life sounds like fun. Do you get many party invites? Do your hosts immediately regret that decision when you show up and start with the hate?
In some people’s opinion Lem, if certain individual’s are purposefully unpleasant then they deserve to get laughed at – it’s light retribution if you will – the justification is that if they can’t take it then they really shouldn’t give it.
Lots of people who do not even know you are obviously laughing at you for what you are doing. That’s because it underlines the sad sorry existence that you must undoubtedly have because of the way you are behaving. It’s ironic that you act in the personally vindictive and shameful way you do, when your own life on display would no doubt be easy pickings for ridicule. That’s if the constant hateful way you act is an indicator.
People who know you are probably laughing at you too by now. Members of your own clique are probably even laughing at how ridiculous your life has got – day after day – the same hate agenda, working actively against cannabis change, working actively against the cannabis community.
What have normal smokers done to you that you are harming their well being? Why do you have no shame?
Why not pop out to the shops Lem? Or the park? What you are doing really isn’t healthy – any idiot and his dog can see that.
Mine is friendly advice incidentally Lem. Clearly no-one else is telling you the truth. Cliques don’t generally do that to be honest.
Someone need to tell you the truth though. You are making a major fool of yourself. You are acting in a strange way. Spending all day, every day, doing what you are doing is a recipe for disaster. You are acting like a care in the community patient.
I don’t mean this to be offensive, but are you a care in the community patient? If so please tell your contact, or whatever it is your NHS person who sees you is called, what it is you are doing here every day – don’t cover it up, be honest, it will be worse in the long run if you don’t. They will be concerned but they genuinely want to help you. We all do.
Hehe, you do make me smile.
I was up at about 8, I took my dog for a lovely walk, I had some breakfast and a cup of tea, answered some emails and made a post at 11:14.
You’re right obsessive doesn’t even cut it. Thanks ever so much for your concern. I knew you’d have to use my illness to attack me with, if I dropped it there for you, you can’t resist. You truly never disappoint.
I think you’ll find my total web output pales into utter insignificance when compared to Peter Reynolds’, and his many aliases. Maybe you should have a word.
He did write a blog post on the dangers of Facebook: he should have took his own advice. lol
http://thurmanhubbard.com/?p=7975
blimey, just got back from work thought i would check my e mails, just penis enlargement ones as usual (insert own crappy joke) and this is still going on. Imagine if this was a conversation (argument) in the street or down the pub, it would look ludicrous, imagine playing this out in front of your mum!. What did everyone do with their anger and hate before the internet. please just stop it, get on with your lives, go and preach to people whose opinion you may change, that would seem more sensible and effective.
So Reynolds has been emailing people and threatening them with Police investigations.What that makes him is a blackmailing creep.The sooner him and his alter ego Dr.Carla Margam are banished from the UK legalisation movement the better.No one legitimate impersonates a Doctor so the guy is a fraudster.He’s got form for it too
“go and preach to people whose opinion you may change, that would seem more sensible and effective.”
What like the comment warrior campaign?
What a misguided joke. As if anybody who reads the comments block on a national newspaper is going to say “Oh look, that man, who looks a bit like a canary, is telling me that the future is MURKY – my mind has changed – how wrong I have always been.”
The people who you need to engage are the journalists and editors: attacking them, as is Pedro’s style is suicide.
If he ever, and I do mean ever, gains any national recognition he will be crucified by the tabloids. If you can’t see that and think blindly supporting Peter is the way forward be my guest, I won’t stand in your way. Just don’t expect me, or anybody else, to stop alerting other people to the failures of this man.
Having a desire to see cannabis legislation changes and calling for Peter to step down are not mutually exclusive. I can, and will, continue to do both.
Derek – There appear two unrelated issue here: there is the , bickering about policy or messaging, internal politics, egos and bitchyness within LCA/CLEAR and the wider cannabis movement (if there really is such a thing). This is probably all par for the course and any organisation or grouping has similar challenges. The second issue is Peter’s conduct, both before and after becoming CLEARs leader.
The two have issues have unfortunately become intertwined; the rather unattractive internal politics becoming intensified, as well as very public. However, leaving aside the more wild/contentious accusations, Peter is unquestionably guilty of very poor conduct that has to bring his position into question – to deny this is quite extrordinary and doesnt sit easily with you history as one of the more level headed and reasonable cannabis activists.
Some offence may be inevitable in the cut and thrust of politics, but specifically:
- he has made comments that most people would consider racist (‘swamped’, ‘to many of them’, ‘I want my country back’ etc). Simply claiming to be ‘not a racist’ and apologising for causing offence is quite different from demonstrating an understanding of why the comments might be offensive, or suggesting that he had changed or is making efforts to address his offensive views. Saying they were ‘provocative’ and ‘used illjudged language’ is a woefully inadequate excuse – embarassingly so.
- He has made comments that were *unquestionably* homophobic (no mention from you btw)- and when called on this, defended the comments to the hilt, digging in, even making additional offensive comments.
These comments on race and homosexuals alone would almost certainly have led to dismissal from any major political party, certainly as leader, and most corporate or public employment. That said, arguably, if at this early point if he had apologised, shown some contrition, and shown action to change his views, and again – an understanding of why his language and sentiments were offensive and wrong, he might have been able, eventually, to continue effectively in a public role.
This didn’t happen. His tone was defensive, strident and aggressive. People who made criticisms (lets ignore the illegitimate personal attacks on Peter’s private life for now – its important not to confuse them) were themselves attacked. No matter what critics were saying – Peter’s public ad hominem attacks and legal threats were utterly inappropriate and again would have been grounds for dismissal in the vast majority of public roles.
His attack on Sarah McCulloch was disgusting (its important to be clear that what she said about him in this context is irrelevant), and he has subsequently gone on publicly insult Levent from SSDP and even bitch about Release and other campaign groups. Remember that Sarah and Levent – both active in LGBT activism as well as drug policy reform – only upset Peter because they felt it neccasssary to respond to his offensive blog posts in the first place. They were nothing to do with any of the internal politics or more grandiose conspiracies. There is absolutely no excuse for this aspect of Peter’s public conduct. None – and your defense of it is bizarre and dissapointing.
You are quite right that we shouldn’t dwell on people – but no one is to blame for making this about Peter, except Peter himself. Promoting himself as the public face of the organisation isnt the issue – but if you put yourself in a public role you have accept and manage the inevitable critics responsibly. Not only has he handed his potential critics ammunition but he has dealt with the ensuing salvo (justified and unjustified) like a child, demonstrating a complete lack of political awareness – actively aggrevating the situation, creating and provoking new enemies, and then being suprised when attacked further.
The important thing to remember is that reform movement didnt know about Peter two years ago, its never been about him, its not now, and we dont care if he dissapears. What we care about is the cause – not these pathetic, self absorbed dramas.
Your contention that there is no such thing as bad publicity is horribly deluded; regardless of whatever progress Peter might have made for LCA/CLEAR, this whole sorry episode has, on balance done the organisation/cause enormous damage – If you cant see that, really, I despair. Facebook followers are not the measure of a man. Take a step back, try and look objectively at the wreckage, and then think about stepping away for a while.
@ Billy Gartside: “So Reynolds has been emailing people and threatening them with Police investigations.What that makes him is a blackmailing creep”.
Er, not it doesn’t. You don’t blackmail someone by threatening to sue them whilst using your own name. Blackmail is a bit different to that.
You’d be well advised not to make accusations about him impersonating anyone without really solid proof as well, because that would be libel. Just saying like…
What like the comment warrior campaign?
What a misguided joke.
here we go again, now that billy has shown up the insults start again from the troll warriors
lem if you surround yourself with shit and do nothing but spread shit dont be surprised if everyone tells you you stink .
if you guys really think that by trolling Clear you are defending the cannabis community you are truly deluded you are turning your backs on the very people that do support change and you have declared us your enemy. with trolls like billy and oo you have set yourself up one look at the crap you guys post over and over tells me everything i need to know to make a judgement on your reliability and credibility.
thing is its the same crap every day. we have all heard the song and we want to change the record . you guys are like the nightmare neighbor that plays the same record over and over, in your list its more important to damage clear than change the law for cannabis users. so what are you people?
Once more the only reply is personal abuse and that we are all Trolls?
Aye everyone’s trolls but all we see is the CLEAR executive calling people nutters and threatening them?
Oh the Irony!
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Good for you Lem – I hope you lit up every person’s life that you met this morning. Unfortunately though, inside, I bet every moment of your morning was actually filled with festering hate filled thoughts. You certainly couldn’t wait to put your hate hat on pretty sharpish.
I had no idea that you had a genuine illness – I am sorry if I have offended you accordingly. I have absolutely no idea who you are, or anything about you apart from what you post – and even then it’s only very recently and even then very limited. Literally, for all I know, you could be the Premier of China or the CEO of Apple. I genuinely have no idea who you are.
If you were to pin me down as to the cause of your bitterness, just from what I’ve read, then I would have actually said you were a gay man in denial. You post in a slightly theatrical, look at me, no don’t look at me, effeminate style – the kind of way gay men seem to act before they come out not after somehow. My experience there is very limited though, and I would hate to offend anybody by assigning any kind of stereotypes with my very limited experience. Someone looking at things with just a pin prick of info though, could easily jump to the conclusion that it’s your repressed sexual feelings that are manifesting themselves as pure hatred.
Why not just embrace your sexuality? There is literally nothing wrong with being gay. The gay community is up there with the communities we should be proudest of most in our modern history. In years gone by the they fought so fiercely and bravely against bigotry that they were actually fighting against the same bigotry that affected all of us – gay or straight.
They also gave us disco, and from a personal perspective therefore, acid house. Man they should be shouting that from the rooftops. Disco showed the world how to have a good time – it still does now – proper disco, from the start, togetherness and belonging, not the grotesquely deformed beast it became with Studio 54 and the like. We owe the gay community big time – we’ve had shared ideals, beliefs and a common fight against ignorance for years now.
You will feel liberated and less bitter if you were to just accept what you are Lem. If are gay already, then apologies again – I know nothing about you so what was obvious to everyone else already wasn’t obvious to me.
Like I said though, I actually don’t know anything about you, so that is obviously pure conjecture – apologies again for any offence. I don’t even know if you are a woman come to think about it. All my theories come crashing down easily like that – that’s why I generally keep them to myself.
Clearly if I was close to the bone with the care in the community thing though, then you really do need to tell your carers. Genuinely. No joke whatsoever.
If you think our campaign is ineffective then fine, no problem, leave us to it and we will waste our time getting on with it.
You can spend your time campaigning in the ways that you think are effective. I wish you every success in your campaign.
Please do not simply spoil our campaign though. It really isn’t fair on the millions of cannabis users out there who are desperate for change. You are selfishly stopping their lives being far better. Don’t carry on what you have been doing therefore unless you deliberately want to be their enemy; an enemy to cannabis users.
I am not a CLEAR executive btw if you are referring to me calling people nutters.
My goodness, where do all you people come from with the same bitterness and hatred. You must be one hell of a party crowd.
Do you not care, holding yourselves up as sworn enemies of the cannabis community?
It’s really weird. How far do you want to take this battle? You do realise there are millions of us?
i am not on the clear executive either but no good telling that to those guys, they think its only a wee small group on clear like it was a year or 2 ago with the lca, sorry guys but you are up against regular cannabis supporters just like you used to claim to be. oh and who will you say i am today i wonder?
in my opinion the only people who want to see the CLEAR campaign fall are Police,courts, lawyers,prison workers, and big Pharma They will loose out on all the money that is being spent right now another group is the drinks industry they will loose a lot of drinkers, and the final group are the criminals that will loose the black market. so by declaring the members of clear your target you declare your true intent,
what must scare you is the fact the cannabis campaign is so much bigger now real ideas about how to supply and regulate have you guys shitting bricks,
well i will be happy to see those that for years have kept the cannabis campaign in the funny pages leave and do their own thing,
when the law changes clear will have no more reason to exist and will go into history like every great campaign should,
when the debate starts Clear will be 1 small voice in a very crowded debate so if you want get your own plan together and join the discussion,
the CLEAR plan you guys hate is only a plan it is not scripture by the time a real debate starts the CLEAR plan will be given the same attention as every other idea,
so you dont like P,R your right to chose who you like or dislike is your right. but ask yourself what have you trolled out about the editor of the Daily mail? or any of the other people that would be happy to lock you up for using cannabis? and does it match what you troll about P,R
how many hours this last few months have you spent trying to change cannabis law and how much time have you spent attacking CLEAR and its members and supporters? so you leave me thinking you must be one of the groups i stated at the start of this comment i do not want to insult any of you guys but you do make it so easy with your pathetic attempt to attack CLEAR and its membership you leave me no choice Clear is our campaign, because cannabis law reform is what WE all want and P,R has made a campaign group that can make it happen. what have you made in this time other than Hate pages?
Don’t take the mick Derek.I’m not bothered about someone who’s been impersonating a Doctor suing me for libel.Is he going to produce Dr.Carla Margam as a character witness?The Carla Margam page was on Facebook from October 2010 to when Peter Reynolds was told on his personal blog that he’d been reported to the Police for impersonating a Doctor.The Carla Margam Facebook page account disappeared from Facebook the very same day-likewise the Carla Margam WordPress article.However copies have been saved for the General Medical Council and the Dorset Police.Impersonating a Doctor is a serious criminal offence.Given Peyter Reynolds’ previous criminal record I seriously wouldn’t bet against him going to jail over that.As for you sunshine I’d call you a muppet but hat would be defamatory to Kermit the Frog.
you really hurt me with that one billy i am almost lost for words, my favorite was always animal the drummer
Please, as a favour to me, you might not think i deserve, see it as an act of kindness, imagine this whole debate played out in front of your mum. What would she say?
To put it another way Derek who’s suing me for libel?Peter Reynolds?Carla Margam?Carla Reynolds?Peter Margam?How about all 4 of them sue me at the same time and testify on each other’s behalf as character witnesses?I’ve never been sued by someone with multiple personality disorder before so that will be a first won’t it.
Weedol – I’ll ry to answer some of your points later, there’s a lot there but you deserve an answer.
Just a quicky for Billy Gartside, who doesn’t seem to understand how things work out there:
He wrote “Don’t take the mick Derek.I’m not bothered about someone who’s been impersonating a Doctor suing me for libel”.
Sure Billy, if you can prove it. The onus of proof is on you though, it wouldn’t be up to Peter to prove anything, it is you making the claim and it would be you that has to sustain it in court, with hard evidence.
What you’re doing is very unwise to be honest. If you have evidence of a wrong doing, the way to deal with it is to collect all th evidence you can and then launch your action quietly.
What you’ve done is to tell everyone of your certainty of correctness before you had proven anything.
Every forum you make these claims on leaves a trail back to you, everything you write on the net can be saved and used against you years later. By behaving as you have done, you have shown yourself to be at best very naive.
I think it’s already been said, but it’s worth repeating. The group of people you now feel a part of are encouraging you to carry on, but every claim you make is, potentially, another spade of soil from the hole you’re digging. If they were freinds of yours, they would be telling you to keep quiet.
But hey, you know best.
UKCIA is correct billy if you ask anyone with any legal experience they would tell you the same every time you repeat the things that have brought legal action is a NEW attack as far as the courts care and if people are advising you to keep on they know what they are doing and you are the person that will be screwed, where will they be then? just ask any lawyer for your own benefit if you dont want to listen then you get what you deserve
I stopped reading at the bit where Pete started calling me “gay”. lol
I’m not as it happens and if I were so what?
“Hate filled” – oh how the mirror screams.
Billy Gartside – listen to yourself. You do not sound sane. You are coming out with random nonsense.
We have now found out that Lem is care in the community. Are we to presume that you are the same? It certainly looks that way. Is that how you know each other?
It really isn’t fair this. It really isn’t your fault though. Are there no constraints on your use of the internet? There really should be. Who are your carers? Are you left on your own often?
How unlucky is this that the cannabis community happens to have been plagued by a group from the care in the community! The people we need to get hold of are the carers (is it social workers for these people?). I’m sure there must be guidelines in place to stop vulnerable people like this having so much free reign on the internet. There was a case recently where a lad who didn’t know what he was doing was abusing grief stricken victims on line.
It’s a crying shame. How do we contact the carers?
I didn’t say you were gay Lem, I was genuinely just trying to explain your bitterness.
I gave a few guesses – gay was just one.
I didn’t say you were gay Lem, I was genuinely just trying to explain your bitterness.
I gave a few guesses – gay but in denial was just one.
In one of Peter Reynolds’ blogs he called for Britain to invade Israel.Would he like to sue me for libel for describing him as “psychiatrically imbalanced and mentally unwell”?
“I’m sure there must be guidelines in place to stop vulnerable people like this having so much free reign on the internet.”
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You just split my sides.
The irony.
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I literally have no words to describe how funny that is.
Anyway, you enjoy yourself: Keep. On. Digging.
where was it ever written that all cannabis users or supporters must follow the same politics? i Hear he also liked Thatcher (sorry if i got that bit wrong peter) now to me she was the Antichrist but i dont persecute people for supporting her, as far as Israel is concerned i do not know any Jewish people at all we dont have a large Jewish community in N.Ireland i dont dislike the Jewish people at all but i do think they have an evil government that has no respect for basic human rights and some of the things they have done has made me quite angry as well,
Its an opinion it does not affect what peter says about cannabis that is what we are here to support. Remember its cannabis law reform not moral, political or style reform but Cannabis reform , if you are in a law case right now you are aware that every post you have made since the case started will need to be proved in a legal sense, have you never wondered why when a politician has legal problems they always answer with “sorry i can not comment” its because every word will be used against them and they are smart enough to know to shut up until the case is over.
i am not telling you what to do you are your own man but when i see someone drowning i want to throw a life saver
Lem – are you totally convinced that I am Peter Reynolds? In your head can it literally not be any other way? Do other members of your clique think this? Does this fact justify your hate filled actions?
What would you do if I could pretty much disprove you irrefutably? Would that make you think that you could be wrong overall?
Look, I’ll yob you something here therefore. I’m from Blackburn. It’s where I grew up, it’s where I live. Here I am posting on my local site – last year – with something completely unrelated to cannabis. I’m actually extolling the virtues of ecstasy:
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/pendle/colne/9399335.Colne_warehouse_rave_plans_rejected_by_Lancashire_Police/
How would Peter have such intimate knowledge of the Blackburn warehouse scene from 89-90? It was 22 years ago – you’d have thought he would have mentioned it. Why would he post on a Blackburn paper as well, totally unrelated to cannabis? I don’t know where Peter is from but I’m pretty sure it’s not Blackburn. I would have come across him before.
I can’t have faked this either – those dates are set in stone.
Does this make you change your mind? If it doesn’t, then could anything? Most importantly, if it doesn’t, could you please not bother us, because you now definitely know I’m not Peter, therefore you now really know you are making real enemies of real people.
As opposed to pretend enemies in Narnia? lol
If you’d read what I said earlier, you’d have noted that I said I couldn’t care less who you are, it isn’t even remotely important.
Your hyperbole and ignorantly offensive behaviour all muddles into one unpleasant mess.
Maybe you should be out fighting the fight on behalf of big pharma and let Pedro defend himself.
OK, I’ll try to answer at least some of the points raised by Weedol. There was quite a lot, but here goes:
“However, leaving aside the more wild/contentious accusations, Peter is unquestionably guilty of very poor conduct that has to bring his position into question – to deny this is quite extrordinary and doesnt sit easily with you history as one of the more level headed and reasonable cannabis activists”.
I have said I don’t agree with a lot of Peter’s politics. For the record if you know the “political compass” (google it) I come out near the bottom left – extreme left liberal, on the way toward anarchist but not that far.
I am old enough to know that my politics are not to everyones taste and I do not impose them on any involvement with the law reform campaign.
I also have a full time job and work professionally with some people I most certainly do not like or really share anything in common. That is my professional life, it’s entirely seperate from my social life.
CLEAR I regard as like my professional life, it isn’t a social club, it’s a focused business like involvement.
It is also a single issue campaign. As such I work with anyone who shares the aims of the campaign. Anyone means anyone just about, as long as they aren’t violent. I’m not actually interested in discussing other political issues with Peter, I know we aren’t gonig to agree on so much it’s not worht it.
“- he has made comments that most people would consider racist (‘swamped’, ‘to many of them’, ‘I want my country back’ etc)”.
Actually, I would take issue with you there, in my experience “most” people would not judge comments like that to be racist. Culturalism is not raceism, it’s very different.
This is a huge issue and not really one for this forum if you don’t mind, but I would argue that screaming “racist” at people who feel a loss of coutlural identity due to the very real changes that have occured is not going to win you too many friends. This is a concern many perfectly decent people feel, it’s a real issue, like it or not.
I can tell you that Peter is most certainly not a racist though.
“He has made comments that were *unquestionably* homophobic (no mention from you btw)- and when called on this, defended the comments to the hilt, digging in, even making additional offensive comments”.
Of all the complaints against him, this one is the most convincing. However, it was a few sentences from one blog. It can be argued words from his gut rather than his head.
“These comments on race and homosexuals alone would almost certainly have led to dismissal from any major political party, certainly as leader, and most corporate or public employment”.
Except of course for the fact he was elected with these statements presented almost as his CV to the people who elected him.
It is indeed a bit much that one of the leaders of this “anti” group was the head of the old LCA, who could and perhaps should have researched the background of a lead candidate more than he seems ot have done, either that or he did read them and didn’t think anything of the comments. Actually I storngly suspect it was the latter.
Interestingly, this very person was the originator of the Facebook campaign and he started off by complaining about Peter’s rudeness, then picked up onthe racist allegations but didn’t notice the gay comments untill others raised it.
“His tone was defensive, strident and aggressive. People who made criticisms (lets ignore the illegitimate personal attacks on Peter’s private life for now – its important not to confuse them) were themselves attacked”.
Now, something else to bare in mind. As I outlined above, long before all this kicked off Peter had been the target of a “hate” website. He had been under a lot of pressure privately because of this but had kept it to himself. Sure, he reacted badly to things in the early part of this year, that’s a fairly typical sign of stress actually.
“His attack on Sarah McCulloch was disgusting (its important to be clear that what she said about him in this context is irrelevant)”,
The context isn’t irrelevent at all, especially given everything else that was happening it isn’t. Sure he handled it badly, I don’t dissagree, we told him so as well in no uncertain terms, trust me.
Peters comments about Levent of SSDP were not totally unreasonable either given what Levent had done to be honest. Student union politics don’t play too well in the real world as he discovered. The comments about Release were fully justified IMO, Release used to be a real law reform campaign, it’s a shadow if its former self now.
Regards Sarah though, had she kept to the single issue she might have had an effect, but she didn’t. Like the others she waded in with the mob and threw a lot of stupid stuff at Peter in a nasty agressive way. Her writing are pure bile, nasty, nasty.
“You are quite right that we shouldn’t dwell on people – but no one is to blame for making this about Peter, except Peter himself”
But he was honest in his expression of opinions – you may not like them but he has never made a secret of them. To misquote a famous saying: “I dissagree with your views, but will defend your right to say them”. Freedom of speech is as, if not more important, than politcal correctness IMO but yes, it gets messy. A blog is a personal rant, no more and as such it comes under this freedom of speech thing.
“Your contention that there is no such thing as bad publicity is horribly deluded; regardless of whatever progress Peter might have made for LCA/CLEAR, this whole sorry episode has, on balance done the organisation/cause enormous damage – If you cant see that, really, I despair”.
Actually, it’s true. There is no such thing as bad publicity, all that matters is name recognition. Seriously, that’s how it works.
Anyway, you seem to be making the assumption that the majority of people share your values, that’s always a dangerous assumption.
As I say, Peter’s plans for CLEAR are along the correct lines, that’s why I’m involved in the outfit ansit’s the only reason I’m invovled.
The previous LCA may have fitted the fluffy politics you and I prefere, but the organisation and image it presented was rank.
As I say, I know a lot of the people running this “anti” campaign and most of them are a total waste of space, nasty, obsessive and frankly rather stupid people. I also dislike bullying and there’s been a lot of that, so I make my own mind up and as usual tip toe across the eggshelss of life.
If I’m wrong, time will tell.
Lem – it means my original points still stands, where you can’t justify your bizarrely sick actions by claiming I’m Peter Reynolds.
You now know I’m definitely not Peter Reynolds. How can you therefore justify your actions to me, personally, on a me speaking to you now level? I don’t know you, I’m just a normal bod from the cannabis community. Why would you deliberately be so unpleasant to me therefore?
A quiet man is telling the truth – listen to him. Those people who are dissenting are all telling you the truth – listen to them. Why would you be so deliberately unpleasant to so many people up and down the country, who you don’t even know, but that your sick actions are affecting?
Any ill people out there, for instance, who could benefit from the amazing and safe relief which cannabis can bring. What have you got against those people personally? No one is campaigning harder than CLEAR for them. Why would you want to stop that?
What about old folk with glaucoma, diabetes, or even alzheimer’s? Those people would benefit greatly from the same remedy which gave our forefathers untold relief. What have you got against these people? It’s a bit sick that you would deny the dying the pleasure of much easier last few years that cannabis would bring. No one is campaigning harder than CLEAR for the old un’s. Why would you want to stop us campaigning for granny Edith and Grandpa Joe?
And what about our young people? Why are you making their future worse than it needs to be by handing hardcore criminals untold power? You are also denying them safer cannabis, regulated, not from criminals who sell other drugs either. I won’t insult those people with silly names. They are the future and they are sound people. What have you got against our young people?
Look at the current alcohol situation – crazy dangerous drinking – no other legal outlet. If those who want to take it to extremes were to do it with weed, there would be no deaths, not even any hangovers. The young un’s can’t take it to extremes with shit wet expensive weed. Nobody is campaigning harder than CLEAR to get those people the finest dry cured buds of the very finest world class strains. Nobody. Want those dry cured buds sooner – join CLEAR.
Why do you want to keep these poor folk perpetually in shit wet rip-off weed?
And what about the vast swathes of normal people, with normal settled lives, who just enjoy cannabis, safe in the knowledge that, whilst having a very pleasant time, it is actually extending also their lives? What have you got against millions of people like that? Normal people minding their own business. They haven’t done you any harm. Why are you harming them?
The clique isn’t telling you the truth. You really are making enemies of the cannabis community at large. You really are making real enemies of real people. There really are real people who are sat at home reading this Lem, who just want change themselves, and who can’t believe that you are trying your utmost to stop that. Why would you possibly do that?
This is my last post, it’s half eight. I’m doing something else tonight.
“There really are real people who are sat at home reading this Lem, who just want change themselves, and who can’t believe that you are trying your utmost to stop that. Why would you possibly do that?”
I’d love to see change.
Just not the change Peter Reynolds wants to offer, and in fact not any form of change with Peter Reynolds at the helm.
As I said earlier, campigning for Peter Reynolds to step down and desiring change in the laws regarding cannabis are not mutually exclusive.
I will continue to do both.
I have no idea who the clique are, I am more than capable of making my own mind up.
http://thurmanhubbard.com/?p=7975
I’m thoroughly confused by this thread.Am I getting sued by Dr.Carla Margam on behalf of her good friend Peter Reynolds or is Peter Reynolds suing me on behalf of his good friend Dr.Carla Margam?Is Derek Williams Forrest Gump after a frontal lobotomy?This whole situation is really giving me sleepless nights.The prospect of a writ for libel from a convicted fraudster like Peter Reynolds oh dear me I am quaking in my boots.I’m involved in the campaign to legalise cannabis.Given Derek Williams’ current relationship to Peter Reynolds he appears to be involved in a campaign to legalise fraud.Have you thought about changing the name of Clear to the Legalise Fraud Party?Given the nature of your current activities that would be a somewhat more accurate and somewhat less misleading description.
and in fact not any form of change with Peter Reynolds at the helm.
says it all your a troll with no interest in the cannabis debate and only interested in trolling you are deluded goodbye and billy we all know you are confused so go and figure it all out before you start trolling again as we now know you dont want change in cannabis law and clear are your target of hate not just P,R no point talking to either of you because you do not listen but its nice to meet some pro ho troll warriors now i know what kind of sad idiots we are up against i will sleep much better cause as i told you before We will win this debate because we are right you go and fight your little troll war and like jack i have had enough of your stink i got a life to get on with goodnight
The dam walls are creaking: let it flow.
The mirror can’t take much more, and the pot and kettle don’t know what to do.
Step outside of the bunker.
http://peterreynoldsinhisownwords.tumblr.com/
What is in this for you Derek?, must be something
serious to gain considering you are now siding and behaving like the people that arrived here and called you a paedophile while you opposed
Peter Reynolds, what changed your mind Derek, Peters eloquence and charm or the prospect of taking over his position when he inevitably falls?.
The ‘Peter Reynolds in his own words’ link just about sums it up.He could start an argument in an empty phonebox which is why he’s a total liability.The sooner he’s banished from the UK legalisation movement the better.
Something Derek Williams needs to know.
I wouldn’t be making an allegation as serious as “Peter Reynolds has been impersonating a Doctor-Doctor Carla Margam” unless I’d seen sufficient proof to satisfy the requirements of a Criminal Court.Libel cases are heard in Civil Courts where the standard of proof is somewhat lower-the balance of probabilities.Since you know Peter Reynolds/Carla Margam better than me give me some insight into the mind of someone who fraudulently impersonates a Doctor online.
@ Billy Gartside – Ah, seems someone has had words with you, that last post was in a very different tone to your previous statements. But it’s not me that needs to know all that.
If you have the proof, go ahead and take your action, I’ll watch it unfold with great interest. The ball, as they say, is in your court now, it’s time to play it if you can.
@ lem
That page you posted is a wonderful illustration of the point I’m making about the obsessive and bullying nature of your group. Just look at the site you posted, is it the work of a rational person? So much time and effort into following and attacking one person is really sad.
Lastly @ Hughie Hugh McHugh
What can I say about Hugh? Once one of the most rational, intellectually thorough members of the law reform community, now one of the biggest idiots posting on UK420 and more besides. When I discovered who you really are Hugh I admit to feeling close to violated. I would have trusted you, it’s a good job I never had cause to.
I guess Hugh sums up how I feel about the people involved in this “anti” campaign, I know I can’t trust them or believe what they say now. I’ve learned that the hard way and it does hurt, believe me.
“So much time and effort into following and attacking one person is really sad.”
How is that site an attack Derek?
It is a cache of Peter’s finest hits.
He could have either not written it, or made a proper sincere apology.
The words and opinions contained within that site are not rational: they belong to Peter.
The desire to expose those words to as wide a public as possible, in oreder to show people what kind of man little petey is, is entirely rational: I would say it was, in fact, a noble act.
Step outside the bunker Derek. See what the public really think. Stop listening to a convicted fraudster Derek.
The truth hurts Del.
The public are talking Lem.
It’s you who isn’t listening.
I’m going to be listening at half past 10.
I do hope they use some of my questions.
Enjoy.
Dear Derek,
I hope you are listening to the radio.
Peter is a moron.
I’ll step back, there is no need for me to say any more.
Lastly @ Hughie Hugh McHugh
What can I say about Hugh? Once one of the most rational, intellectually thorough members of the law reform community, now one of the biggest idiots posting on UK420 and more besides. When I discovered who you really are Hugh I admit to feeling close to violated. I would have trusted you, it’s a good job I never had cause to.
I guess Hugh sums up how I feel about the people involved in this “anti” campaign, I know I can’t trust them or believe what they say now. I’ve learned that the hard way and it does hurt, believe me.
Hi Derek, I am not who you think I am, I’m not Hugh Robertson I am Hughie Green, Hughie Hugh McHugh has always been Hughie Green despite Peters paranoid delusions, no need to feel violated dude unless you count your association with Reynolds, no answer to the question Derek, are you not even going to pretend it’s all about cannabis campaigning when it is and has always been about middle aged nobodies jumping on bandwagons to pretend
they are activists to bring some delusion of
adequacy and worth into their sad empty lives,
I dont know why I even bother being civil to you considering you ave always been a snivelling little rat with fuck all to say,
nailed your colours to Reynolds mast now thought how does it feel to be among people whom despise you and plot behind your back,
people that called you a paedophile for doing what I am doing now and asking relevant questions, I was “Once one of the most rational, intellectually thorough members of the law reform community” but as soon as I challenge PR I(or rather H Robertson) become an “idiot”, how absolutely childish and pathetic of you Derek
anyone can see the petulant mindset you and Reynolds operate under, abuse and accuse to
deflect attention from relevant questions which none of you can answer honestly or at all in most cases, I have never had any respect for you Derek so you have lost nothing
in my book merely confirmed what a two faced
little hypocrite and pathetic sidekick to a
deeply unpleasant and utterly dishonest abusive coke addled con man, I hope you never dare to show your face on UK420 again Derek
people gave you the benefit of the doubt before but no more, you have made your bed now you must lay in it, good luck with ever being taken seriously in the future you pathetic little excuse for a man.
i listened to the radio broadcast. i don’t think peter sounded like a ‘moron’ slightly frustrated at one point but that’s about it, could you give me your reasons for his ‘moron’ tag so i can understand your argument better …..the presenter on the other hand!
oh, can everyone just please stop the abuse, bad language, accusations its really depressing i thought we where all adults. No one wants to answer my question about what their mums would think about all this because deep down you know the answer. If you don’t like someone or what their doing leave them alone, get on with your your life, do your own thing. PLEASE. Thank you.
those crazy neighbors still playing the same song over and over at the top volume you answer them and they pop up again like a stuck record. They are “anti cannabis activists” so why do we bother with them ? they will not change their activity because trolls gotta troll
@ Andrew James Cox – this sort of comment you see above is fairly typical of the stuff you’ll see on UK420, which is where this is orginating from. Hughe’s remarks above are very typical of him sadly.
The thing you have to bear in mind is that they are enjoying it all, simple as.
My loyalty is to CLEAR as a campaign mostly, but that is re-enforced by a desire not to be associated with people like these. I think it’s pretty obvious why by now.
Andrew i agree with you it is something that does not need to be happening
but the clear campaign is moving up a gear with all the new members
and it is not surprising to see some people who used to support the campaign for cannabis law reform become frightened by the fact they are not controlling the direction the campaign has taken, as we get closer to the end of this campaign a lot of vested interests will come out of the woodwork and declare their true intentions.these guys have declared CLEAR their primary enemy . so they have nailed their colours up for all to see . the type of attacks they make on individuals is disgusting and they need to grow up and we need to recognize they are not out to change cannabis law, they are only interested in damaging clear
Hughie Hugh McHugh – my goodness you sound bitter. Even a lemon would say you were too bitter.
Are you all one and the same person who keeps up with this shameful hate, changing names as things progress, or are you a tag team of some type? Do you call yourselves the “haters”? You don’t wear silly outfits do you?
No-body is despising and plotting behind anyone’s back any more at CLEAR. You must have missed the memo that everyone else got – it’s now pretty much been accepted that it was you lot plotting behind Peter’s back, to the most remarkably low degree as well. Proper snake belly shameful low. Sleeping with the enemy, stuff that’s really almost unforgivable.
CLEAR is onwards and upwards now literally – no plotting no scheming, shoulder to shoulder, not toe to toe – you cut one, we all bleed – and it’s members are immensely proud of it’s executives, people who’ve been brave enough to stand up and be counted. Everyone involved in it all, doing their bit – little cogs in the big wheel of positive change.
Within CLEAR, and therefore away from quite remarkably bitter sounding and hate filled people like you, Derek can probably breath a huge sigh of relief now that nobody is plotting behind his back within the organisation he is working hard for. Everyone just really appreciates the hard work he is doing here.
What about if Derek was actually just a decent person? What about if Peter was just a decent person? Would you feel ashamed acting the way you were if they were decent people?
They are decent people Hughie Hugh McHugh. Why do you feel the need to be so unpleasant to them therefore? Why do you not feel ashamed?
Good gods. 140 odd comments. Possibly the most discussed article ever on this blog.
The volume of leading questions, loaded statements and outright refutation of facts is incredible.
Like the vast majority of cannabis users, I am not a member of any websites or groups. I have no interest in any particular person being in what limited degree of power all those discuss represent.
What does amaze me, is that if this level of vitriol and effort was put into the “movement” or starting up your own if you take this level of umbrage with existing groups, we would have an actual chance at change. Instead what I see seems to be a large group of people who want to keep medicine illegal.
If 1% of the time spent on this went towards letters of protest to MP’s, something might change.
Screw it though, it’s more important to have pissing matches and personality contests. Guess you all like the risks that come with growing or picking up.
This is so depressing on so many levels. Support people who are working for your interests. Two people need not agree to desire the same end goal. Two people working together gets you there faster. Two people fighting here is the political equivalent of kicking yourself in the testicles.
Wow what a mountain of stuff to finally get to the comment bo.
Uk420 is what it is and Mr Reynolds is also.Clear is a political reform party without any political backers.the MP’s that supported the campaign have now dissosociated themselves frm CLEARS aims because f Peter Reynolds. If this was mainstream politics Mr Reynolds would have fallen on his sword to, maybe fight another day.That he still clings to power is very disquieting.Come on Peter put your self up forreelectipn as soon as you can only then will you have any credibibility
I am a fully paid-up member of CLEAR. I have read all the links in the comments (and more), and I have come to the conclusion that Peter Reynolds is a serious liability.
I tried to debate some of the major points with him in a calm, rational and adult manner. He responded with abuse, and banned me from the CLEAR facebook group. My account was also deactivated on the forum.
While CLEAR has taken my money and locked me out of any kind of democratic debate or discussion within the party, would I still be allowed to vote should Peter stand for re-election? If so, could you please tell him to hurry up and announce the date as I would like to be allowed to take part in the legalisation movement once again.
If you could pass this message onto Peter, I would be grateful Derek.
Thank you.
“CLEAR member” – if you are indeed a CLEAR member then simply contact the party and resign if you’re not happy, a tiny number of people have. Alternatively, contact me via the feedback form with your membership name and I’ll look into it for you.
http://www.ukcia.org/new_feedback_form/fb.php
To be honest anyone can post to a forum claiming to be a CLEAR member, I won’t do anything on behalf of an anonymous poster.
Edited to add if you were banned from the forum, it wasn’t done by Peter.
Yes, I am a CLEAR member.
No I do not wish to resign
Neither do I wish to give you my name.
My question was if Peter would call an election, and would I still be able to vote even if I am banned on the forum? I have no interest in helping CLEAR any more until there is a new democratic leader.
a quiet man, AKA Peter Reynolds.
Derek, you deleted my posts over at the clear site, even though they contained no abusive terms, I thought I was being constructive and not falling into the negativity.
Reynolds is a homophobic racist and by association, so are you.
One thing I look forward to is the march in Cardiff, Peter has said he will be there, I look forward to that as do many many many others but somehow doubt he will show, even though, apparently, it is him that is organising it, [another lie].
Tom, I have no idea which post you mean but if I deleted one of yours it would have been because you were offensive or disruptive in some way. The CLEAR website and facebook pages are not there for anyone to use to disrupt the campaign.
Your assertion that I am a homphobic racist “by association” is as stupid as it is offensive.
I think your post here gives a clue to why I would have deleted your post to CLEAR.
i found a very interesting comment on the CLEAR page that should be viewed when looking at this campaign against CLEAR and its Members..
Hi, I don’t know if you are all aware but it seems that Merseyside police have commissioned Origin to create a campaign against cannabis farms:
http://www.how-do.co.uk/north-…..3081009567
Worryingly it states that; “The campaign, will incorporate online, viral and ‘guerrilla’ tactics”.
I’ve posted the following comment on that article but it requires moderation so I’m not entirely sure it will get posted;
So we need tax payer funded spin now to justify our war against cannabis? Amazing. Although another word for it would be scandalous.
Do the police teams that investigate grooming need similar expensive spin to justify what they do? The whole area of policing paedophiles – do they need to employ expensive outside marketing companies to look at any ways that the public can understand why we need to stop monsters raping children? What about the rape teams? Violent offenders? Metal theft?
Those teams don’t need spin because those crimes have real victims. We need spin for cannabis because it’s users have no victims, therefore we have to create problems. What an amazing waste of tax payers money eh?
Morally though, how can the police justify wasting money looking at ways to demonise cannabis, when it means real crimes with real victims will lose out? All those teams I’ve mentioned above, who are helping real victims, would undoubtedly just the love the money that has been spent alone on this campaign by Origin, let alone the huge resources the cannabis team have anyway.
Why aren’t the police spending money to just see what the truth is, rather than looking at ways to spin an already ignorant viewpoint?
Ultimately how can this campaign ever succeed if it needs a paid company to justify it? The people you are against are just trying to make the world a better place. What’s more they clearly have the truth on their side – otherwise why would the police need to pay an outside company to create spin? You can’t ever beat the truth surely – that’s just a fact of life.
Ironically, just to highlight that point, the best that this expensive marketing campaign can up with is problems regarding cannabis prohibition not cannabis itself. Therefore the only logical conclusion from this campaign is that we need to legalise because that’s the only way to stop those problems that Origin have mentioned.
Why are you fighting the truth? When did that become morally justifiable to society? What has society done so wrong to you that you would be prepared to harm it by lying to the people? Do you need to drink heavily to live with your conscience?
The reason I’ve posted it here, beyond getting my thoughts on it out, is twofold. First, be wary of people posting. The police are now paying people to campaign against us.
Secondly – don’t forget you can use this as a weapon. That link is evidence – it can be used against those pushing lies. The whole Origin campaign itself is wonderful because it is untold ammunition for our cause. They need to pay people to push spin.
Never forget that we are on the right side here – no question. All we have is the truth, and all we are are nice people trying to do the right thing. That may not sound much, but it means we are unstoppable, however many marketing companies they get involved.
http://www.how-do.co.uk/north-west-media-news/north-west-marketing-services/origin-creates-cannabis-farms-campaign-for-merseyside-police-201203081009567
a working link
i have never campaigned for anything or anyone but three years on every kind of painkiller has got me off my arse….. ive paid me pound and joined clear…..if the party achieves anything at all i will be delighted….ive smoked more grass and for a lot longer than most of the experts on here and if anyone can hear some sense then here it is… peter reynolds (whoever pulls his strings) is achieving something good with clear this seems to provoke a bit of jealousy amongst others who have achieved less
while he continues to do so i will support him the minute someone else does any better i will drop him like a hot potato and support them and i dont care if peter reynolds or whoever succeeds him is vlad the fucking impaler in drag….i only want to smoke cannabis whenever i wish or need to… i have no religion i dont vote and im not too keen on them that do graham smith
Derek, I was always respectful, I was even thinking of joining. I didn’t believe people that told me you deleted posts that didn’t agree with your point of view, now I know you do.
One word describes you two, pathetic.
Never mind, looking forward to meeting you both in Cardiff, if you have the balls to turn up, which I doubt very much….
I think Druidude puts it perfectly, if Reynolds is so confidant and he puts the party first he should do the decent thing and go for an election, if only to quell any more problems.
The fact is that he thinks he is the party, when in actual fact the members are the party.
And the comment I made regarding association is true, you align yourself to a homophobic racist and you will be tarred with the same brush….
Tom, you’re not even a member of CLEAR, yet you seem to think you have some kind of right to tell Peter to stand down? What planet are you on?
As for your comment about aligning myself to Peter’s views, I assume you know the quote often attributed to Voltaire (but actually from Evelyn Beatrice Hall): “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. Clearly that’s not something you would agree with, is it?
And then there was the comment someone by the name of flux5000 made, that post stated that the person wasn’t going to come back, to which reynolds said, and I quote “good”.
Realising how bad that made reynolds look you promptly deleted it.
Incredible, so much for a so called political party based of openness etc.
Was that you that deleted it or was it reynolds? Either way a lot of people saw that happen and that makes the both of you look really bad. Off course you will have some other story or angle to it as you always do, you two are never wrong ‘eh? Funny that…..
You are a political party, you would, I assume, wish to swell your numbers? Well, by deleting the posts I referred to earlier you are not going the right way about it.
And the quote you mention, well I have defended peoples right to free speech, I have even lost family members defending that right, what I will not stand for is people like reynolds making homophobic or racist comments, I take it you do defend his right to make such comments.
What have you done for this country? Nothing but defend a homophobic racist, oh, and give out bad legal advice.
Do not go spouting off about defending free speech when you delete comments that do not agree with your point of view. It a bit rich, to say the least.
As the leader for the article states, “Small Minds Discuss People…”.
The thing is, and it is something you miss completely, is that the thing people are discussing is principle, not people.
You are oh so happy to divert the conversation derek, as usual…. The fact is you don’t get it and neither does peter. This is the reason so many people have reacted as they have.
I don’t expect you or peter to get it for one second though.
Tom, you are demonstrating why your posts to CLEAR got banned – that’s four in one evening from you! Make that five, you’ve just posted another one. Stop now please.
There are four moderators on the CLEAR FB page, I am one of them.
So you will defend “to the death” opinions, but not those you dissagree with eh? Make your mind up, the right to free speech is either worth defending or its not, there can be no exceptions.
However, that right to free speech does not extend to forum you do not own, which exist to promote an organisation. You are there as a guest and have no right to say whatever you like on those forums.
Do not come on to my forum and expect to insult me in any way you wish, and learn the simple truth that you have no right to do that on a forum run by any organisation.
If you want to express you opinions freely, do so on your own blog.
Now please stop spamming my forum. Thank you.
“So you will defend “to the death” opinions, but not those you dissagree with eh? Make your mind up, the right to free speech is either worth defending or its not, there can be no exceptions.”
No exceptions? Not even for homophobic racists. As I said, you are being tarred with the same brush.
I was replying to your comments, obviously that isn’t allowed and you class that as “spam”.
If you were genuine you would treat everyone no matter what they said with respect. Obviously you don’t know the meaning of the word, you even refuse to answer my points.
Anonymous will be giving you boys a visit real soon no doubt, as will I, if you have the balls to turn up in Cardiff, which I doubt, you are too chained to your computer counting your likes on FB….
See you soon derek
Tom, Go away please.
Answer my points as I have answered yours. You run a blog, you invite responses then refuse to answer the responses you don’t like.
It’s like a small child that doesn’t like the way the game is going so he takes away the ball, pathetic.
Make your mind up Derek, you can’t have it both ways….
Tom, I’ve just looked again at you last six posts and it’s hard to see any coherant question I should answer, the are all dominated by rather stupid insults and threats.
Let me explain, again, why I support Peter in all this. Simply, I pay by results and he has come up with the goods; he said he wanted to create an intellegent cannabis law reform campaign promoting effective control and regulation of the trade and based on proper scientific evidence. He wanted to build a campaign free of the terrible “old hippy stoner” image it had under the LCA. That is what he has done. It’s something that no-one has done before – especially the core of people involved in this campaign against him, many of whom have been around the scene for a great number of years.
CLEAR is a single issue organisation, cannabis law reform is the only aim and the only issue, it’s the only reason we all work together.
Peter has not made any of these comments in the name of CLEAR, or since he became involved with CLEAR other than some regrettable outburst caused by stress. His views were known about when he was elected by the old LCA, they were not a secret and no-one complained about them at the time.
His views are not mine, his politics aside from cannabis law reform are not mine. But having different opinions on a range of issues does not prevent me working with him on this one specific issue and credit where it is due, he is bloody good at it.
As I said in a reply to weedol up thread, I don’t view his comments as racist to be honest; nationalist might be more accurate. Whilst not agreeing with them I do accept they are the views held by a great number of decent enough people. Had a more measured and focused criticism of his remarks about LGBT people been made, I might have had more respect for that argument however.
This campaign against him hasn’t been limited to his blog comments though, it’s broadened to include a whole raft of allegations which are simply off the wall crazy.
You are not privy to the internal discussion we have had over the past couple of months and you’re not going to be.
Does that answer the questions you never actually got around to asking?
why oh why oh why have the reynolds detractors stopped posting their ineffectual nonsense on this page??? no need to answer because i know why…no ammunition left…next time you cretins try and act together make sure you are not stoned first….all the bullets have been fired now and there is just no ammo left to give any credence to your calls for pr to resign….if you want to fuck someone over and you think you may have something to throw that may stick you should throw a bit see what happens and then when that is nearly over chuck some more…never mention the first bit when talking about the second bit….the only effect of your barrage of half truths and exaggerations has been to strengthen your opponents and diminish yourselves…attempting to conceal your identities when calling someone dishonest just wont work…over 9000 likes on facebook more than all the others put together…it was a nasty and stupid campaign from the start and will prove an embarrassment for you all to bear for a long time